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Post by Positivity KS on Jul 25, 2016 18:30:14 GMT -6
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Post by Coast2Coast on Jul 26, 2016 14:00:21 GMT -6
Yeah I understand why people vote for the candidate they think is best, even if it works against their best interests. Or I guess I sort of understand it. If we vote for Johnson, we are really voting for Trump and yes, that will absolutely be a vote for long-term change. Just not the kind of change everybody pulling the Johnson lever has in mind. Yeah we'll get change all right. Be careful what you wish for.
I realize this is a tough question for a lot of people, including myself. I would rather vote for Johnson myself, because I can't stand Hillary. But I also really don't want to contribute in any way to Trump being elected and play a role in starting the next war and killing our economy. And I fear a vote for Johnson or Stein is exactly that. That's the conundrum.
But I live in Texas, so it doesn't matter how I vote. What matters is what people like us...people thinking about voting for Johnson or Stein...do in states like Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, North Carolina and Wisconsin. In those states, how they vote could decide the election.
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Post by Positivity KS on Jul 26, 2016 20:26:49 GMT -6
I know some of you are conservatives and maybe a few of you are liberals but as an Independent kind of guy who doesn't love Hillary but pretty much despises almost everything about the Republican Party at the moment..........
the Democratic Convention has been FAAAAAAAAAAR more positive, inclusive and uplifting than that of the Republicans.
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Post by Coast2Coast on Jul 27, 2016 18:58:20 GMT -6
Political signs, buttons and posters are sometimes really humorous. Or not.
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Post by Hawg Ass on Jul 27, 2016 18:59:51 GMT -6
I know some of you are conservatives and maybe a few of you are liberals but as an Independent kind of guy who doesn't love Hillary but pretty much despises almost everything about the Republican Party at the moment.......... the Democratic Convention has been FAAAAAAAAAAR more positive, inclusive and uplifting than that of the Republicans. Bullshit, you leftist liberal.
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Post by Positivity KS on Jul 27, 2016 19:19:40 GMT -6
I know some of you are conservatives and maybe a few of you are liberals but as an Independent kind of guy who doesn't love Hillary but pretty much despises almost everything about the Republican Party at the moment.......... the Democratic Convention has been FAAAAAAAAAAR more positive, inclusive and uplifting than that of the Republicans. Bullshit, you leftist liberal.
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Post by Coast2Coast on Jul 27, 2016 19:29:29 GMT -6
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Post by All Drop In on Jul 27, 2016 20:20:49 GMT -6
I kind of like Democratic Kasich.
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Post by Positivity KS on Jul 27, 2016 21:16:33 GMT -6
Eat that, Hawger!!!
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Post by randomone on Jul 28, 2016 17:03:27 GMT -6
So Trump just gave a speech in my hometown area of Davenport. I only caught the last 45 minutes of it, but he literally said NOTHING he would do if he won. He mentioned briefly the TPP, but that's it. He talked about how Tom Brady having a hat in his locker room helped him win in the Northeast. And how he talked to Bobby Knight & he helped him win Indiana. WHO GIVES A SHIT! He's in Iowa, he failed to mention any athletes from Iowa who support him (surprised he didn't name drop Seth Rollins). In the most hypocritical comment, he talked about how he wanted to beat up (he said later not physically) politicians who said mean things about HIM, but had to be talked into not doing it by an unnamed big name politician.
Look, I'm not a big Hilary fan by any means, if there was a different option for the republican party, I would honestly strongly consider voting for them.......but the option for Republicans is Donald fucking Trump. I'll vote for anyone other than him. I just fucking can't stand him.
Not a political person at all, but figured it was worth sharing since he was in my town.
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Post by Coast2Coast on Jul 28, 2016 17:47:25 GMT -6
you are from the QC? Damn. So am I..and Ryan. I was a BHS Bulldog back in the day. Ryan was an EM Panther...and a big time TV sports reporter too on Channel 6.
Keep the old homestead rockin!
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Post by Positivity KS on Jul 28, 2016 21:20:17 GMT -6
It's over. It's all ovah.
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Post by Danny Busch on Jul 28, 2016 21:26:36 GMT -6
It's over. It's all ovah. what is over?
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Post by All Drop In on Jul 28, 2016 21:26:47 GMT -6
Uh oh. I don't buy that story about Hilary's mom locking her out to fight the bully at all.
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Post by Positivity KS on Jul 28, 2016 21:30:59 GMT -6
It's over. It's all ovah. what is over? The election. Gonna be a landslide.
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Post by All Drop In on Jul 28, 2016 21:32:30 GMT -6
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Post by Positivity KS on Jul 28, 2016 22:14:07 GMT -6
This is pretty damn funny.
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Post by All Drop In on Aug 5, 2016 11:08:02 GMT -6
So what's the real story with this $400M going to Iran? Our current news cycle tells me it's either Republicans making something out of nothing, or Obama being a secret agent for Iran. Guessing it's somewhere in the middle. But it certainly seems like something.
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Post by Terry's Peeps on Aug 5, 2016 11:43:32 GMT -6
Who knows the "real" story. Here's one take.
DOJ objected to $400 million payment to Iran, was overruled by State Department: WSJ CNBC.com staff | @cnbc Thursday, 4 Aug 2016 | 12:57 AM ET CNBC.com 75 COMMENTS
Thursday, 4 Aug 2016 | 5:36 AM ET|01:45 Senior U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) officials objected to sending $400 million in cash to Iran at the same time as the country released American prisoners, the Wall Street Journal has revealed.
According to the WSJ's report on Wednesday, the DOJ's objection - that the money would be seen as a ransom payment - was overruled by the State Department.
The WSJ reported on Tuesday that the cash was the first installment of a $1.7 billion settlement the U.S. Government had reached with Iran to solve a 1979 arms deal dispute.
The cash was packed in pallets and airlifted to Tehran by cargo plane, and was portrayed in the Iranian press as a random payment for five Americans, the WSJ reported.
The American prisoners were released on January 16, at the same time as the U.S. released seven Iranians - a prisoner swap that coincided with the lifting of international sanctions. At the time, the U.S, said that it had released $400 million in funds as part of a settlement of the arms deal dispute, but did not specify that cash had been airlifted to Tehran.
White House spokesman Josh Earnest said on Wednesday that the payment was neither a ransom, nor paid in secret.
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Post by Terry's Peeps on Aug 5, 2016 11:46:49 GMT -6
Another more thorough piece.
PostEverything $400 million in cash was flown to Iran back in January. Was that wrong? Some thoughts about the details that emerged this week about the release of U.S.-held Iranian assets from January.
By Daniel W. Drezner August 5 at 8:58 AM Daniel W. Drezner is a professor of international politics at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University and a regular contributor to PostEverything. Iranians celebrate following a landmark nuclear deal in Tehran on July 14, 2015. (Ebrahim Noroozi/AP) The hard-working staff here at Spoiler Alerts has been too busy luxuriating in cargo shorts and observing Donald Trump’s cratering polls to focus on international relations. It therefore took me a few days to read the Wall Street Journal story about how the United States sent $400 million in foreign cash to Iran at exactly the same time Iran released American prisoners:
Wooden pallets stacked with euros, Swiss francs and other currencies were flown into Iran on an unmarked cargo plane, according to these officials. The U.S. procured the money from the central banks of the Netherlands and Switzerland, they said.
The money represented the first installment of a $1.7 billion settlement the Obama administration reached with Iran to resolve a decades-old dispute over a failed arms deal signed just before the 1979 fall of Iran’s last monarch, Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi.
The settlement, which resolved claims before an international tribunal in The Hague, also coincided with the formal implementation that same weekend of the landmark nuclear agreement reached between Tehran, the U.S. and other global powers the summer before.
A follow-up WSJ story noted that Justice Department officials had qualms about the exchange because the timing of it made it seem like a quid quo pro.
This got a lot of conservatives exercised about how VERY DAMNING FACTS just got revealed and it’s a scandal and it shows the United States paying Iran ransom for U.S. hostages.
The thing is, though, almost all of this information was reported back in January when the asset exchange was made (including the $400 million figure). Both Vox’s Zack Beauchamp and the New York Times’ Michael Shear and David Sanger offer explainers about the transaction. To sum them up:
Remember, the money that was transferred was always Iran’s money. It’s just that the United States seized Iran’a assets when Iran seized the U.S. Embassy in 1979. Always remember — this is Iran’s money being given back to Iran; By all accounts the United States was going to lose an international legal tribunal ruling on the dispute. The payment prevented having to pay an even bigger penalty (in terms of interest on the $400 million held over 35 years). The transfer was not kept secret, but announced in January when the exchange took place. The new information in the WSJ stories are that (a) the transfer was in pallets of cash and (b) DOJ officials were queasy about the optics. President Obama certainly didn’t think of it as ransom:
Follow MSNBC ✔ @msnbc .@potus on Iran prisoner release: We don't pay ransom. If we did we would be encouraging Americans to be targeted. 4:23 PM - 4 Aug 2016 245 245 Retweets 376 376 likes There’s no kerfuffle that Donald Trump can’t make worse by opening his mouth, so naturally he falsely claimed that he had seen secret, Iranian-filmed video of the cash transfer. This prompted much merriment from U.S. officials who, you know, actually know stuff. Indeed, it was such an egregious mistake that even Trump had to acknowledge it.
[Trump backs away from claims he saw ‘top secret’ footage of Iranian money transfer]
So that’s that — another conservative freakout over nothing! Except for one thing — the optics of this are horrible, and the optics matter.
Scattered throughout the sober reporting and the debunking explainers are the following tidbits:
WSJ: “U.S. officials also acknowledge that Iranian negotiators on the prisoner exchange said they wanted the cash to show they had gained something tangible.” Vox: “It’s easy to see how the timing is suspicious.” NYT: “It seems unlikely that the simultaneous timing of the two events [the cash transfer and the hostage release] was coincidental.” I have no doubt that the White House did not view these two exchanges as a quid pro quo. And it’s really stupid to think of giving someone their money back as a ransom payment. That said, the DOJ’s qualms about the optics of this deal were well-founded. Even if the United States didn’t view the cash payment as a ransom, elements of Iran’s government clearly did think of the exchange in this way. And if that’s what Iranian officials believe, then they will believe that hostage-taking might be a lucrative means of procuring other assets. So yeah, it matters what the Iranians think happened back in January.
I’m glad that the president has forcefully denied that this was a ransom payment. The White House should continue to do so — not to disabuse U.S. conservatives, but to disabuse Iranian conservatives that this kind of well-timed exchange could happen again.
In international relations, sometimes bad optics are worth the value of the deal being made. But it’s also worth correcting the optics when they look bad. The only new information from this week about these exchanges with Iran is about the optics. That’s worth reporting. The Obama administration is pushing back forcefully. That’s the right thing to do politically — and the right thing to do diplomatically.
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Post by Terry's Peeps on Aug 5, 2016 11:50:26 GMT -6
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Post by All Drop In on Aug 6, 2016 12:08:26 GMT -6
Thanks Peeps.
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Post by Positivity KS on Aug 6, 2016 14:01:05 GMT -6
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Post by Positivity KS on Aug 9, 2016 14:24:17 GMT -6
The orange man is a complete whack job.
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Post by Terry's Peeps on Aug 9, 2016 14:28:40 GMT -6
Ditka?
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Post by Positivity KS on Aug 9, 2016 14:31:08 GMT -6
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Post by Terry's Peeps on Aug 9, 2016 14:33:05 GMT -6
George Hamilton?
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Post by Hawg Ass on Aug 9, 2016 14:35:17 GMT -6
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Post by Danny Busch on Aug 9, 2016 14:35:28 GMT -6
The orange man is a complete whack job. Shane-o-Mac?
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Post by Terry's Peeps on Aug 9, 2016 14:35:39 GMT -6
Oh him.
I agree. He sucks.
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