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Post by randomone on Nov 26, 2023 16:38:44 GMT -6
16,000 fans for a card that ended up being Balor & Priest vs Street Profits Owens & Knight vs Waller & Theory Pretty Deadly vs Brawlin Brutes Becky & Charlotte vs Io & Asuka
Dark Matches were Seth & Cody vs Dom & JD Rhea vs Raquel Kross vs Cedric
I’m sorry but that’s not a great card. My point being that’s how hot this company is right now. They can put out cards like that and it’s the highest selling house show in Chicago.
There’s a lot of shitty/bad things about WWE (99% of them being politically/Vince related), but you’d be an absolute fool to say they aren’t on fire right now.
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Nov 26, 2023 16:55:19 GMT -6
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Post by Optimisn on Nov 26, 2023 17:29:19 GMT -6
This is really the way wrestling has always been. If you have momentum and a hot act, you don't need everything to be great. You need to not fuck it up. Eventually it doesn't matter what you do. We've talked about it here numerous times. Look at the roster of some of the cold WCW eras. Stacked. It didn't matter. It didn't matter how great the matches were. Wrestling didn't get great in the 50's. TV came along. So much of the Attitude Era was hot garbage. Most loved it. You could put the undercard of some Attitude Era shows a couple years later and draw nothing. But Too Cool and Rikishi probably did more business than Flair vs. Steamboat in 89'. Like I've said before, AEW got hot because it was a movement and delivered every week. They're still delivering great PPVs but the perception is it's not as good. Because people got tired. If that WarGames match was on a WWE 2011 card we would have shit all over it.
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Post by Ryansback on Nov 26, 2023 20:25:35 GMT -6
16,000 fans for a card that ended up being Balor & Priest vs Street Profits Owens & Knight vs Waller & Theory Pretty Deadly vs Brawlin Brutes Becky & Charlotte vs Io & Asuka Dark Matches were Seth & Cody vs Dom & JD Rhea vs Raquel Kross vs Cedric I’m sorry but that’s not a great card. My point being that’s how hot this company is right now. They can put out cards like that and it’s the highest selling house show in Chicago. There’s a lot of shitty/bad things about WWE (99% of them being politically/Vince related), but you’d be an absolute fool to say they aren’t on fire right now. Do you think it’s a bad card?
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Post by randomone on Nov 26, 2023 20:38:15 GMT -6
For being the largest non-house show event in Chicago history, yeah actually. That’s a house show card. Granted I know it’s Smackdown before Survivor Series, but to draw 16,000 off that (and I bet they didn’t even know they were getting most of that card)
But again, chalk that up to how over they are. It’s impressive.
At least they got the rare dark match for Smackdown post show.
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Nov 28, 2023 17:35:11 GMT -6
Money feuds will make Punk happy.
Cody beats Roman at Mania, while Punk beats Seth.
Reigns then starts his feud with Punk over whatever Seth's title is, while Cody is the big champ.
Perfect.
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Post by Ryansback on Nov 28, 2023 20:09:15 GMT -6
Punk/Roman/Heyman let’s ride!
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Post by Optimisn on Nov 30, 2023 15:01:59 GMT -6
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Dec 12, 2023 20:14:49 GMT -6
Dave Zaslav still loves Phil...
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Post by Optimisn on Dec 12, 2023 20:37:49 GMT -6
Corporate Punk!
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Dec 14, 2023 2:41:56 GMT -6
Wholesome content right here.
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Post by Optimisn on Dec 14, 2023 8:25:18 GMT -6
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Dec 14, 2023 8:37:30 GMT -6
Look in my eyes What do you see Thursday Night Raw on TNT!
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Post by Optimisn on Dec 14, 2023 8:42:29 GMT -6
Look in my eyes What do you see Thursday Night Raw on TNT! What happens when you hang out with two younger coworkers that have looked up to you since they were children and call your wife mom? Find out on the first season of All About Phil, coming to TBS next Fall!!!!
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Post by randomone on Dec 15, 2023 16:55:44 GMT -6
I’m posting it here because you know she’s going back. So many newer matches had she gone to AEW, but that injury really pumped the brakes on her signing there. Cut to now and Vince is out of the picture. She had 5 matches outside of WWE and she’ll go back getting paid a fat ass check after walking out. 10000% good for her.
I just wish we would’ve gotten Toni, Hayter, Shida, Willow, Giulia, Mayu, etc instead of the same matches we’ve seen in WWE (minus Rhea).
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Dec 15, 2023 16:58:12 GMT -6
I think she saw how Tony handles booking women on the show and was like no thanks.
It's a shame, because she had an opportunity to do something special. But, yeah, that injury killed it.
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Post by The Original Kid Cairo on Dec 15, 2023 17:21:47 GMT -6
Wrestling just keeps getting fucking worse for me.
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Post by randomone on Dec 15, 2023 17:43:19 GMT -6
It certainly didn’t help matters that Hayter got hurt, Shida got hurt, Rosa is/was hurt, you have the feel good moment with Saraya winning in London and realize she can’t take many bumps so that’s limited.
I’m not making excuses for Tony (even though it sounds like I am) because aside from Rosa/Britt, there hasn’t been a real intense womens storyline outside from maybe the organic rise of Jamie Hayter.
Mercedes could’ve been that spark, the shot in the arm needed.
Instead she’s just going back to WWE and Sasha Banks teams with Bayley and probably Charlotte & Becky and we get our Horsewomen reunion. It’s underwhelming to me because it’s been done. But if she’s getting paid, more respect to her.
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Post by PositivelyJackref on Dec 15, 2023 18:37:48 GMT -6
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Post by randomone on Dec 15, 2023 18:50:37 GMT -6
He suspended everyone involved in Brawl Out. Punk was gone longer because of injury but came back and had another altercation. You could say literally everyone involved walked all over Tony in that situation. Elite with how they handled it and Punk with (for lack of a better term) punking out Tony right to his face at the presser when he threw his tantrum.
Everyone was at fault there one way or another. I think Punk was over AEW at that moment whether he wants to admit it or not. His All In thing with Jungle Boy was a way out. Perry shouldn’t have said what he did, no brainer, but Punk having another fight backstage? For someone like a veteran as he is? Fucking c’mon.
He’s back in WWE making boat loads of money, hypocrite or not. It is what it is.
It’s not 100% Tony’s fault. Though he should’ve absolutely manned up and cut Punk off when he started woofing muffins and running down the company. Elite should’ve kept their fucking mouths shut as well. Grown ass men acting like children and this is what happened.
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Dec 15, 2023 18:55:19 GMT -6
I really don't think WBD, who is cutting costs all over the place and still trying to come to a deal on NBA rights, is going to want to pay 4 times as much for WWE than they would for AEW.
Maybe I'll be wrong, but I really can't see it.
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Post by PositivelyJackref on Dec 15, 2023 19:16:31 GMT -6
It is so much bigger than Brawl Out or suspending people. It's about making money. That's it. Wrestling is a business and I so want Tony to succeed and be a legit alternative, but when you make dumb decisions that can backfire in so many ways it is really hard to understand why he keeps taking advice from jabronis.
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Post by randomone on Dec 15, 2023 19:27:36 GMT -6
So would you have suspended Punk again after his second backstage fight in a year and just brought him back again? Wrestling is a business like you said, but you can't have things like that happening with regularity. It just so happened that it was Punk who was involved both occasions.
If I was Tony, I would've reprimanded Punk for fucking showing up backstage at WWE when he was still an AEW contracted wrestler before the second backstage fight happened. Talk about a fuck head, why they allowed Phil to do that in the first place and get off scott free is beyond me. He knew he wanted to leave then.
Tony should've handled everything better and Punk shouldn't have acted like a little bitch on multiple occasions. You want a company to succeed, stop shitting on the company you work for and visiting the other promotion!
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Post by PositivelyJackref on Dec 15, 2023 19:57:56 GMT -6
So would you have suspended Punk again after his second backstage fight in a year and just brought him back again? Wrestling is a business like you said, but you can't have things like that happening with regularity. It just so happened that it was Punk who was involved both occasions.
If I was Tony, I would've reprimanded Punk for fucking showing up backstage at WWE when he was still an AEW contracted wrestler before the second backstage fight happened. Talk about a fuck head, why they allowed Phil to do that in the first place and get off scott free is beyond me. He knew he wanted to leave then.
Tony should've handled everything better and Punk shouldn't have acted like a little bitch on multiple occasions. You want a company to succeed, stop shitting on the company you work for and visiting the other promotion!
Tony can't handle things better - that is becoming obvious. Who cares if Punk went backstage to a WWE event? You think MLB or NFL or NBA players can't visit friends on other teams when they aren't playing in a game that night? I have friends that work for a competitor, I can't show up and have a conversation with those people at an event or an outing? That's absurd. Yes Tony should have handled things better from the outset, he didn't. He took sides. But instead of letting your cash cow (whether you like him or not, he draws) go to the competitor AND make you look worse, you figure it out. That is business. You don't feign that you feared for your safety and put together a "committee" to decide what happens. You figure it out and make money. Turn it into an angle. Look what is about to happen with Seth and Punk, it is going to make millions. They legit hate each other, but are professional enough to work with each other. Do I think Punk and Jungle Boy would draw as much, of course not. Would Bucks and Punk draw? Most likely. You turn it into something that can make money. Now if this firing causes Tony to lose millions on a TV deal because that is a name those execs wanted, well now you just hurt the entire company and affected the livelihood of everyone on the roster. It's simple, Tony needs to hire real executives. Let workers work and let business folks run the business.
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Post by randomone on Dec 15, 2023 20:18:58 GMT -6
Agreed whole heartedly Tony needs to hire executives (preferably who aren’t talent). But until he does, Bryan Danielson being a key part of behind the scenes I’m fine with, I respect his opinion more than a lot of folks.
I thought it was a big deal Punk went backstage at RAW. You think it wouldn’t be a big deal to Vince or Hunter if Roman or Rollins or even someone like Orton was backstage at AEW? They would’ve had huge heat.
I wish they would’ve tried to do business with Punk and turn it into a storyline, but if this problem was going to continue to happen, how many times can you suspend a guy? Even if he’s a mega star. Big picture it sucks, but it’s a real tough position to be in. Punk is just as much responsible for this as Tony is for not cracking down to begin with. It’s all unfortunate for AEW.
I also don’t buy Punk’s rehab tour of posting pics with NXT girls and being on his best behavior or whatever. But that’s another issue.
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Post by PositivelyJackref on Dec 15, 2023 20:24:00 GMT -6
I really don't think Vince or Trips would care, but they would probably put some heat on the guy/gal who did that anyway. Not because it is wrong but it's how they gain leverage because they are pricks lol
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Post by randomone on Dec 15, 2023 21:41:58 GMT -6
For weed
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Dec 16, 2023 0:11:30 GMT -6
Fucking Florida...
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Dec 16, 2023 0:28:01 GMT -6
Just when this company is rolling, they do something horrible to make me hate them.
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Dec 16, 2023 11:08:42 GMT -6
Just when this company is rolling, they do something horrible to make me hate them. Since this tweet probably doesn't show up, it's HHH presenting thanking and presenting someone from the Packers with a Packers title belt. Just disgusting.
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