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Post by randomone on Jan 28, 2019 21:50:35 GMT -6
It makes Becky's decision tougher because does she want to get another chance at beating the girl who tapped her out? Or a shot at the champ she was robbed of facing at Survivor Series?
Of course we know she'll pick Ronda, since that's Main Event level, but Asuka needs to be a credible option for Becky to pick. Having her lose the way she did makes that a stronger option.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 21:52:48 GMT -6
Asuka is not someone you're trying to make a face of the company. Perhaps WWE isn't trying to do it with Becky either. Asuka can be rebuilt with a couple month winning streak at any time. It just happened. Memories are short. But if you're trying to build THE star, it doesn't happen with 50/50 booking. I've heard the Austin/Bret comp. The difference is Becky didn't pass out in a pool of her own blood. Not that I wanted to see that happen. It was also one year prior. Imagine if Stone Cold tapped out clean to Ken Shamrock in the opening match of the 98 Royal Rumble, then worked his way in at 29 to win the Rumble and go to Mania. I’m with DropIn on this. I get everything you’re saying random, but the issue is a clean tap out. When you are a white hot babyface, you don’t tap out clean. Get pinned, whatever. School boy pin, whatever. Clean tap with the momentum she has? I still think it’s bad booking. Love DropIn’s example... Now with that said, the only way they can save this is if Rhonda uses this as a reminder throughout that if she tapped to Asuka, then how does she not tap to the baddest woman on the planet? So from a storytelling purpose, this can still work. Becky can doubt herself a bit. Story to be told there. If they don’t use it, then that is absolutely the dumbest finish for a whitehot babyface. Hogan, HBK, Austin, Rock...find moments when they tapped out cleanly when they were whitehot babyfaces. I’m not sure you can? It’s not about her losing. It was an odd way for her to lose. Believe Russo said on his Rumble review that Charlotte should have interfered in the match, allowing Asuka to submit an unconscious Becky. Becky comes back in the Rumble match to get revenge on Charlotte. Clears up the revenge angle with Asuka and it makes sense why Becky choose Rousey instead.
Also "The Man" does not tap out clean; kills the "badass" booking and mentality she portrays herself as having.
Women's rumble needed more legends or they should reduce the number of participants. Men's rumble is better with main roster or legends. A NXT individual should win in their first appearance.
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Post by Back To December KS on Jan 28, 2019 21:53:42 GMT -6
Im not saying it was the right move, I'm saying I understood why they did it. You want Asuka to look strong, no other way to do that than tapping Becky. This was a tough spot all around because if it was a throwaway finish, the match looks weak. If there's interference Asuka looks weak. If it's a flash pin then your champ lucked into a win. There was no way around it if the plan was to make Asuka look like a strong champion. Becky tapping rather quickly caused her not to be damaged later in the night. Had she passed out or they did an injury with the arm, she would've been out. Trust me I don't like they tapped her clean, but I'm actually fine with it considering where they were going later in the night. Miss you Woodridge, start commenting in this joint more. I've given up on KS doing the right thing in giving NXT a chance. I know you appreciate it so you should join the NXT talk whenever it's going on and you're free. Takeover this past weekend was fantastic. Give it a watch if you haven't. I have an incredibly good reason for this!! (And it isn't the NXT product itself) |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 21:58:41 GMT -6
Im not saying it was the right move, I'm saying I understood why they did it. You want Asuka to look strong, no other way to do that than tapping Becky. This was a tough spot all around because if it was a throwaway finish, the match looks weak. If there's interference Asuka looks weak. If it's a flash pin then your champ lucked into a win. There was no way around it if the plan was to make Asuka look like a strong champion. Becky tapping rather quickly caused her not to be damaged later in the night. Had she passed out or they did an injury with the arm, she would've been out. Trust me I don't like they tapped her clean, but I'm actually fine with it considering where they were going later in the night. Miss you Woodridge, start commenting in this joint more. I've given up on KS doing the right thing in giving NXT a chance. I know you appreciate it so you should join the NXT talk whenever it's going on and you're free. Takeover this past weekend was fantastic. Give it a watch if you haven't.
Disagree with this. '99 Royal Rumble- Austin taken from the arena in an ambulance, returned later and was one of the final two. That's how you keep Asuka strong and portray Becky as a badass. An injury or passing out will not keep the hero (Becky) from obtaining her goal.
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Post by randomone on Jan 28, 2019 22:00:36 GMT -6
Russo wanted a run in? I'm shocked, haha.
I actually liked no legends in the women's Rumble. They did it last year. At least this got some new girls some main roster exposure. But I definitely see your point, the first like 75% of the Rumble was boring and slow.
KS, your being shunned much like Dwight did to Andy on The Office.
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Post by randomone on Jan 28, 2019 22:04:31 GMT -6
But Austin lost the 99 Rumble, so he failed.
And this was Attitude Era where you could get beat up in a ladies bathroom, taken to the hospital, drive your own ambulance back all while the match is still going on.
It was handled poorly, I'll admit that, but I'm firmly in the camp of understanding why they had Becky tap
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 22:04:42 GMT -6
Russo wanted a run in? I'm shocked, haha. I actually liked no legends in the women's Rumble. They did it last year. At least this got some new girls some main roster exposure. But I definitely see your point, the first like 75% of the Rumble was boring and slow. KS, your being shunned much like Dwight did to Andy on The Office. Think about the Charlotte run-in; it gives Becky even more motivation to want to be in the Rumble and get revenge on Charlotte.
I'm guessing we will get Charlotte and Asuka at WrestleMania.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 22:08:36 GMT -6
But Austin lost the 99 Rumble, so he failed. And this was Attitude Era where you could get beat up in a ladies bathroom, taken to the hospital, drive your own ambulance back all while the match is still going on. It was handled poorly, I'll admit that, but I'm firmly in the camp of understanding why they had Becky tap
Look at the amount of time between the two occurrences. Becky passes out in the first match, Austin ambulanced in the first third of the Rumble. It is realistic for Becky to recover faster than Austin would have. If you are going to book her as a female Austin and as a badass, refusing to tap is the best option.
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Post by randomone on Jan 28, 2019 22:09:20 GMT -6
Becky and Charlotte haven't being doing stuff to warrant Charlotte interfering in Becky's match though. The whole thing the past few weeks was Charlotte was born to win the Rumble, yada yada yada. She had barely any interaction with Becky. So the run in wouldn't have made sense.
If anything you have Ronda do it, but they've cooled it on her & Becky's interaction up to that point as well.
They booked themselves into a corner for the match honestly. I thought they did the best they could. Asuka looked strong with how she retained. Becky looked strong winning the Rumble.
I think we just have to agree to disagree
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Post by Optimisn on Jan 28, 2019 22:28:29 GMT -6
I don't want to be that guy, but fuck it. My version from Saturday (PG 1) is better than anything proposed. Open to other opinions.
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Post by Optimisn on Jan 28, 2019 22:30:53 GMT -6
But Austin lost the 99 Rumble, so he failed. And this was Attitude Era where you could get beat up in a ladies bathroom, taken to the hospital, drive your own ambulance back all while the match is still going on. It was handled poorly, I'll admit that, but I'm firmly in the camp of understanding why they had Becky tap I'm only drawing from the good of the Attitude Era. A ton of it was garbage and we were young. But Russo and whoever else did know how to get Austin to the top. That's the formula I'm using. Even after there were some questionable moves. |
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Post by Back To December KS on Jan 28, 2019 22:56:02 GMT -6
Here's my Wrestlemania moment. Sasha beats Becky in the Main Event.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 12:57:57 GMT -6
But Austin lost the 99 Rumble, so he failed. And this was Attitude Era where you could get beat up in a ladies bathroom, taken to the hospital, drive your own ambulance back all while the match is still going on. It was handled poorly, I'll admit that, but I'm firmly in the camp of understanding why they had Becky tap I don’t see why a clean pin can’t do the job without making her tap cleanly. Seems easy enough. Again, if they use the story of Becky tapping once to Asuka then it makes sense. Otherwise it’s a wasted finish still in my book. But I’m an old time wrestling guy so what do I know. |
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Post by randomone on Jan 29, 2019 13:16:18 GMT -6
It could definitely give Ronda a talking point to go after Becky with. You tapped before and I'll make you tap again. Or whatever line she'll presumably get flustered over.
If it benefits Asuka or gives Ronda ammo in her match with Becky, then it makes all the sense in the world how they went about it.
Ronda should've addressed it last night, but she was struggling mightily with all the boos she was getting. She was completely thrown off.
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