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Post by randomone on Oct 11, 2024 11:36:39 GMT -6
WCW will always haunt Bryan til the day he dies, one way or another
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Oct 11, 2024 11:42:51 GMT -6
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Post by randomone on Oct 11, 2024 16:21:28 GMT -6
Somewhat abridged version.
He said there’s a reality check in two ways. First being the new contract is for 3 years and AEW must do numbers where WBD feels it’s getting value for $555 million because Smackdown did great but FOX still canceled them.
Second, even if you account millions in production and no new significant media deals, AEW will be more profitable than any year WCW had except maybe 98 (adjusting inflation it wouldn’t top 98 unless there’s a new FOX deal for AEW on top of what they have now). With inflation, it’d still be more profitable than WWF (except 98-99, but up until 2018-present when WWE’s new deal kicked in)
It’ll top those figures for at least the next 3 years, unless there’s a complete collapse, but AEW must deliver a product strong enough to warrant this deal to last into 2028 in a rapidly changing media environment.
Also because I’m reading through the issue and here’s the Bad Blood ratings for those interested. Especially with his ratings talk recently.
Punk vs Drew - 5 stars
Nia vs Bayley - 1.5 stars
Balor vs Priest - 3.25 stars
Rhea vs Liv - 2 stars
Roman/Cody vs Solo/Fatu - 4.25 stars
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Oct 11, 2024 17:18:17 GMT -6
So in short, no it's not based on internal numbers Dave has access to. It's his speculation.
It is informed speculation, but still speculation.
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Oct 11, 2024 17:18:49 GMT -6
And thanks randomone for the inside info.
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Post by randomone on Oct 11, 2024 18:34:50 GMT -6
For those who think all he did was praise AEW, he was very critical of them and said while they had a crazy amount of competition, NXT, though on their same night and time, had the same competition. The 18-48 demo is dwindling because you have NXT building for weeks around a card while AEW, at best most weeks, announces one or two matches for the next week and is a formula they have to break.
As for the WCW numbers, he made it a point to bring up inflation many times and the year(s) you’d assume WCW/WWF were more profitable, were mentioned.
Also 3 years he stressed. Nothing is guaranteed after those, as that 4th year option isn’t a given and AEW needs to improve in order to keep the prospects of that option happening.
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Post by November KS on Oct 11, 2024 18:36:54 GMT -6
I'm on Dave's side in all of this.
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Post by PositivelyJackref on Oct 11, 2024 18:41:53 GMT -6
Somewhat abridged version. He said there’s a reality check in two ways. First being the new contract is for 3 years and AEW must do numbers where WBD feels it’s getting value for $555 million because Smackdown did great but FOX still canceled them.
Second, even if you account millions in production and no new significant media deals, AEW will be more profitable than any year WCW had except maybe 98 (adjusting inflation it wouldn’t top 98 unless there’s a new FOX deal for AEW on top of what they have now). With inflation, it’d still be more profitable than WWF (except 98-99, but up until 2018-present when WWE’s new deal kicked in)
It’ll top those figures for at least the next 3 years, unless there’s a complete collapse, but AEW must deliver a product strong enough to warrant this deal to last into 2028 in a rapidly changing media environment.
Also because I’m reading through the issue and here’s the Bad Blood ratings for those interested. Especially with his ratings talk recently. Punk vs Drew - 5 stars Nia vs Bayley - 1.5 stars Balor vs Priest - 3.25 stars Rhea vs Liv - 2 stars Roman/Cody vs Solo/Fatu - 4.25 stars So he has no numbers and is being his usual wishy washy self peppering a bunch of "if" clauses into everything he says. What does this statement even mean: AEW must do numbers where WBD feels it’s getting value for $555 million because Smackdown did great but FOX still canceled them. That is jibberish. Meltzer is essentially Trump of wrestling - just makes up strange claims and touts them as fact and even spews flat out lies. And to be clear this isn't an AEW thing - I hope they crush it. It's a Meltzer thing of him pretending to be a journalist when he has no first hand knowledge or facts to back up what he is claiming. |
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Post by randomone on Oct 11, 2024 18:49:34 GMT -6
How is what you made bold in your response jibberish? AEW needs to perform to WBD’s standards or they’ll be dropped after the third year and the option won’t be given.
That’s what I took from what he said.
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Post by PositivelyJackref on Oct 11, 2024 18:59:48 GMT -6
Smackdown doing great and getting cancelled has nothing to do with WBD and what perceived value they are getting from AEW. Completely separate things that are irrelevant together. Had he put a number in there from Fox of what they paid and a REASON for them dropping them THEN you can START to make a comparison. But there is no data and no facts in that statement. It is jibberish.
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Post by randomone on Oct 11, 2024 19:06:39 GMT -6
He said unless there’s a FOX deal (I’m assuming Shockwave ends up on FS1 or FOX itself, which would be wild to me)
The comparison for Smackdown had to do with that and how it did good numbers but was still cancelled by FOX. So if AEW doesn’t deliver for FOX if there’s a deal, they’re going to be canned.
Like I said, same goes for the WBD deal you’d assume. Why would you give them a 4th year if they aren’t improving?
I hope they do, they need to really start utilizing their TV better in building future matches to promote on their weekly shows and not rely so heavily on fucking Twitter.
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Post by randomone on Oct 11, 2024 19:21:02 GMT -6
Very interesting point is I wonder how the simulcast streaming on MAX for Dynamite will effect overall numbers?
Will there be more flocking to MAX? Will they watch live or catch it the next day like DVR now?
One would assume TBS/TNT numbers would go down now that there’s another option. Even if that option is on their streaming platform.
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Oct 11, 2024 19:32:31 GMT -6
How is what you made bold in your response jibberish? AEW needs to perform to WBD’s standards or they’ll be dropped after the third year and the option won’t be given. That’s what I took from what he said. That's all he had to say. WBD must be happy with them because they gave AEW a big new multi-year deal. Instead he gets into "AEW will be the second most profitable wrestling company ever next year" without having any idea of the financials on the cost side. He can't help himself. |
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Post by November KS on Oct 11, 2024 19:54:05 GMT -6
#TeamMeltzer
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Oct 11, 2024 20:09:15 GMT -6
I'm not sure you even know what's going on.
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Post by November KS on Oct 11, 2024 20:36:13 GMT -6
I'm not sure you even know what's going on. I don't. but still |
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Post by PositivelyJackref on Oct 11, 2024 20:47:02 GMT -6
I'm not sure you even know what's going on. I don't. but still  |
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Post by Ryansback on Oct 11, 2024 21:43:05 GMT -6
Those seem like valid asks of Dave. Of course Dave doesn't answer any of it though. Dave is completely bullshitting all these comments around AEW’s profitability. I won’t even bother. |
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Post by Ryansback on Oct 11, 2024 21:45:08 GMT -6
I'm on Dave's side in all of this. you are blindly following his bullshit. Cool. |
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Post by Ryansback on Oct 11, 2024 21:46:54 GMT -6
I'm not sure you even know what's going on. he has no fucking clue. He’s like a MAGA cultist, exactly what he hates. |
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Post by Ryansback on Oct 11, 2024 21:48:01 GMT -6
So do we need to educate Dave what it means to be profitable? Does he understand the word?
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Post by randomone on Oct 11, 2024 21:58:30 GMT -6
Maybe I’d be more inclined to possibly defend Bischoff if it were anyone else. But he’s done exactly what he’s criticized and accused Dave of doing, putting out false narratives without showing facts.
I don’t care if Conrad says “that’s not what we said in the video” when you have clickbait videos titled “AEW Doesn’t Have A TV Deal” all you’re doing is fishing for the anti-AEW audience. It’s why he does videos shitting on Dave, because they get clicks. You’ve realized no one cares about you talking about the NWO for the 9,000th time, so you need to appeal to a new audience and that’s the Meltzer critics. I mean for fuck sake his latest video is titled “Does Dave Meltzer Own 3% Of AEW?”.
Lord knows Eric will never go after WWE the way he does AEW, as he doesn’t want to jeopardize a Legends deal.
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Post by PositivelyJackref on Oct 11, 2024 22:05:50 GMT -6
This isn't a defend Bischoff moment though. It's a Dave show your math on how you got to that statement moment. It has nothing to do with anyone except Dave. Show us how you aren't talking out of your ass and making stuff up. That's it.
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Oct 11, 2024 22:06:16 GMT -6
That's fair.
Other users asked the same question about having numbers to back up his statement, and he said "read the article".
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Post by Optimisn on Nov 11, 2024 17:43:46 GMT -6
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Post by The Original Kid Cairo on Nov 11, 2024 18:18:53 GMT -6
😂😂😂
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Post by Optimisn on Nov 11, 2024 18:38:54 GMT -6
It got all over me. If you'll pardon the expression. |
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Post by Optimisn on Nov 11, 2024 19:03:56 GMT -6
Come on randomone, this one goes across parties.
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Nov 17, 2024 17:31:33 GMT -6
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Post by Ryansback on Nov 17, 2024 20:41:19 GMT -6
Another terribly constructed sentence with unintended meaning. Maybe he ghostwrites for Tony.
Not saying it’s wrong but genuine curiosity as to why they vote current, extremely active wrestlers into their HOF. I can’t read the article…obviously.
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