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Post by randomone on Nov 18, 2022 23:15:10 GMT -6
Loaded show, I'll give my thoughts when I'm done with F4W duty, but I'm really looking forward to the direction they decide to go.
AEW World Title Jon Moxley vs. MJF
AEW Tag Team Titles The Acclaimed vs. Swerve in Our Glory
AEW Interim Women's Title Toni Storm vs. Jamie Hayter
AEW Trios Titles Death Triangle vs. The Elite
ROH World Title Chris Jericho vs. Bryan Danielson vs. Claudio Castagnoli vs. Sammy Guevara
AEW TBS Title Jade Cargill vs. Nyla Rose
AEW TNT Title Wardlow vs. Samoa Joe vs. Powerhouse Hobbs
Steel Cage Match Jungle Boy Jack Perry vs. Luchasaurus
Saraya vs. Britt Baker
Sting & Darby Allin vs. Jeff Jarrett & Sting
Zero Hour Chuck Taylor, Trent, Rocky Romero, Danhausen & Orange Cassidy vs. QT Marshall, Cole Karter, Nick Comoroto, Aaron Solo & Lee Johnson
Eddie Kingston vs. Jun Akiyama
Ricky Starks vs. Brian Cage - Title Eliminator Semi-Final
My Picks
MJF, The Acclaimed, Hayter, The Elite, Jericho, Jade, Wardlow, Jungle Boy, Saraya, Sting/Darbs, Best Friends, Kingston, Starks
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 18, 2022 23:25:24 GMT -6
Is that Sting vs NWO Sting?
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Post by randomone on Nov 18, 2022 23:50:01 GMT -6
Did you not get the memo Jay Lethal was replaced by Jeff Farmer?
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Post by Terry's Peeps on Nov 19, 2022 9:08:28 GMT -6
Satnam Sting
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Post by jackref on Nov 19, 2022 10:02:29 GMT -6
I disagree this is a stacked card. No FTR to start. Jeff Jarrett is on the card for some fucking reason. Jungle Boy and Luchasaurus in a cage match is dumb because they havent' even had a proper match program yet. Swerve and Lee suck as a tag team. Swerve just sucks. ROH Title match doesn't need 4 of your best workers in it. Fuck the Elite. Starks and Cage deserve to be on main card.
When this is the lowest grossing PPV of the Year maybe Tony will realize what is good for business.
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Post by Terry's Peeps on Nov 19, 2022 10:15:28 GMT -6
Over/Under 135k buys.
I'll say under.
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Post by jackref on Nov 19, 2022 10:24:34 GMT -6
Over/Under 135k buys. I'll say under. Under 125k
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Post by randomone on Nov 19, 2022 10:39:05 GMT -6
I think the matches have been built well (not all, but most). Have they been the best builds? Of course not, but still.
Jungle Boy & Luchasaurus have been in a program for the last few months (year if you consider the Christian deal). Luchasaurus won their first one. They’ve been beating the shit out of him since, so the cage keeps Christian out (we know it won’t). Also Perry cost Luchacaurus the All Atlantic title.
FTR should be on the show, sure, but they haven’t been in a program aside from maybe the Ass Boys? That’s Tony’s fault, but they just don’t fit on this PPV.
Womens matches have had solid builds (not the Jade/Nyla so much).
Starks being hurt put a damper on the finals of that tournament happening on this show. A semi final match doesn’t need to be on main card. Egon/Starks should’ve.
Jeff Jarrett shouldn’t be on the show. I agree.
I’ve liked the ROH title build. Jericho needs to retain, preferably over Sammy.
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Post by Terry's Peeps on Nov 19, 2022 10:48:07 GMT -6
Jade-Nyla has been the match with the best build of the show. That's not saying much, but it's true.
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Post by jackref on Nov 19, 2022 10:54:25 GMT -6
What about all these new signings? Bandido, Rush, etc. No Andrade, no Garcia, No Page, No Miro, No Dark Order, No House of Black. All these staples of your year are not on the endcap signature show.
To me it doesn't feel like a cumulative show like a Mania does and they need it to. There are some good programs on here - MJF and Mox, Storm and Hayter, Britt and Saraya. I just don't think its enough. I know I have been shitting on AEW for the past few months but it is not because I hate it and want it to fail, just the opposite. Tony needs to step it up now and he isn't because he is smart mark booking and signing way too many workers. I really hope after this he tightens it up and honestly trims the roster and gets rid of the jabroni's and indy guys. Its time to be THE top company.
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Post by randomone on Nov 19, 2022 11:01:05 GMT -6
There’s simply too many people on the roster, you won’t get an argument from me on that.
Bandido & Rush were in the eliminator tournament Dark Order guys are dorks now Hangman was badly concussed, no reason he should be here Miro is/was hurt and is/was filming a show House of Black are being repackaged with those vignettes Zero clue on the Andrade situation Garcia I’m sure will be focused on come the ROH PPV next month, similar to FTR, they’ll be used more soon
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 19, 2022 11:19:06 GMT -6
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 19, 2022 11:29:33 GMT -6
I disagree this is a stacked card. No FTR to start. Jeff Jarrett is on the card for some fucking reason. Jungle Boy and Luchasaurus in a cage match is dumb because they havent' even had a proper match program yet. Swerve and Lee suck as a tag team. Swerve just sucks. ROH Title match doesn't need 4 of your best workers in it. Fuck the Elite. Starks and Cage deserve to be on main card. When this is the lowest grossing PPV of the Year maybe Tony will realize what is good for business. FTR will be one of the headliners on their own PPV 3 short weeks from now.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 19, 2022 11:42:41 GMT -6
So I'm predicting that Saraya beats Britt, grabs the mic and shouts "This is my house now" and then.....
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Post by Terry's Peeps on Nov 19, 2022 11:59:16 GMT -6
No shot.
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Post by The Original Kid Cairo on Nov 19, 2022 12:05:34 GMT -6
Good Lord I would cry with happiness if that happened.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 19, 2022 16:30:47 GMT -6
AEW World Title Jon Moxley vs. MJF
Mox has been an amazing fighting champion. Probably the best free agent addition to AEW ever. (Unless you consider Jericho, who I kinda consider a free agent acquisition but I kinda consider him one of the founders more or less) Anywho, it's MJF's time plus Mox needs to get in that vacation time that he had coming until The Elite broke down Punk's door and Kenny tried to dognap Larry.
I don't really care if MJF is a heel, face or Stone Cold type of thing that you guys talked about. I see him excelling in any of those roles. I also have no idea if Regal will side with MJF or not. Likewise I have no idea if the stuff with the Firm has been a shoot or work. This build has been fantastic. I'm hoping for the Stones song tonight at some point.
I also think it'll be good to go from fighting champion Mox to special attraction MJF as far as championship matches go. Good to change up that formula a bit.
I even give a 1% chance for CM Punk to either show up, get involved, or being referenced somehow. Again though, only 1%.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 19, 2022 17:02:25 GMT -6
AEW Tag Team Titles The Acclaimed vs. Swerve in Our Glory
The Acclaimed must retain. They're the hottest thing in wrestling for the most part. That's why it's so hard to do anything more meaningful with FTR at the moment. (Though FTR will be a headliner at the ROH PPV on Dec 10th or whenever it is) Swerve in Our Glory continues to be one of the dumbest names I've ever heard of in wrestling. They're great as a tag team, I enjoy (unlike jackref) both Swerve & Keith Lee but I feel it's run it's course at this point. Swerve will be a damn good heel and Keith Lee can go onto whatever it is he'll be doing. I suppose they'd feud with each other for awhile. The last thing I'd ever want to see out of this is Keith Lee swerving us this whole time and him being a heel as well. That would suck. Plus tonight they're in Bowens home town I believe. Tony never pulls a Vince in those instances except for that one time with Punk & MJF.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 19, 2022 17:52:16 GMT -6
AEW Interim Women's Title Toni Storm vs. Jamie Hayter
My favorite thing about Toni Storm is her stomach. In fact I'm obsessed with it but when that's the only thing that really stands out to me about your champion, that's kind of a problem. It's crazy too because her favorite group is Motley Crue (which is my 2nd favorite group of all-time tied with Tesla of course) she dresses like a rocker and all that STILL doesn't do anything for me. I don't have anything against but just consider her so mid. Her promos are subpar, I hate her haircut, I couldn't tell you the name of any of her moves, I don't understand why she wears that linebacker eye black thing, and I don't even know her theme song. I usually fast forward everything she does. And again, I don't hate her but she's such a smoke break.
Hayter has some organic thing going on with the chants. (Though they've been less loud the past 2 - 3 weeks) She actually does nothing for me either but I suppose you pull the trigger here. Don't leave her hanging like they've done so many times with Kingston.
I do fear the social media stuff with all the Toni Storm comments lately about Rosa. Seems like that would only be happening if AEW did intend to go forward with an ultimate Storm / Rosa program. In which case, Storm would still be mid regardless and Rosa seems to have some real life shit going on with AEW ala Punk, Andrade, Cody etc..
In any case, if Hayter wins, I'm expecting to get a couple second clip of Britt looking at that belt with some envy and jealousy.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 19, 2022 18:12:32 GMT -6
AEW Trios Titles Death Triangle vs. The Elite
This kind of upsets me but I don't think you bring back The Elite to lose. Plus Tony's probably in a little bit of a coke panic about the ratings. Plus you have that bit of division where PAC is using The Hammer (and who amongst us haven't..... such fond memories) and the Lucha Bros resisting. Strong possibility this is the match of the night. Hate to say it but I feel like this is the kind of match that one of these 6 men will get hurt and be out for 6 to 9 months. Just a weird feeling I have.
I'd pay double than the already absurd price of $49.99 (though I can record it and keep it forever) if they could train Larry to run down to the ring, bite Kenny in the ass, and then run back.
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Post by The Original Kid Cairo on Nov 19, 2022 18:21:02 GMT -6
Damn. KS is actually making me want to order this show.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 19, 2022 18:28:35 GMT -6
AEW Trios TitlesDeath Triangle vs. The EliteThis kind of upsets me but I don't think you bring back The Elite to lose. Plus Tony's probably in a little bit of a coke panic about the ratings. Plus you have that bit of division where PAC is using The Hammer (and who amongst us haven't..... such fond memories) and the Lucha Bros resisting. Strong possibility this is the match of the night. Hate to say it but I feel like this is the kind of match that one of these 6 men will get hurt and be out for 6 to 9 months. Just a weird feeling I have. I'd pay double than the already absurd price of $49.99 (though I can record it and keep it forever) if they could train Larry to run down to the ring, bite Kenny in the ass, and then run back. Should also be noted that I fully geared expect House of Black to show up after this match.
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Post by The Original Kid Cairo on Nov 19, 2022 18:30:35 GMT -6
I'm a little disappointed that Jamie Hayter does nothing for you. There's plenty she could do for me.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 19, 2022 18:33:58 GMT -6
ROH World Title Chris Jericho vs. Bryan Danielson vs. Claudio Castagnoli vs. Sammy Guevara
I didn't realize Jericho has only had the title for like 2 months. He's gonna win. He still has a ton of people to plow thru on his way to destroying everything ROH was/is known for. Any hints of Sammy winning are ridiculous. NOBODY would order that PPV. (Mind you, I think the Sammy hate is completely unwarranted)
Either way, this will be a GREAT match.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 19, 2022 18:39:02 GMT -6
Did I just watch Danhausen kick the living shit out of like 5 different guys? Very evil.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 19, 2022 18:44:11 GMT -6
AEW TBS Title Jade Cargill vs. Nyla Rose
Will never really get the stealing the champions belt thing. Makes no sense to me. Maybe they tried to explain it but I fast forwarded thru it. Now don't get me wrong. I love Jade. I love Nyla. Somehow I'm just not really invested in the Women's Division at the moment. Maybe I'm a terrible person. I do think this will be a fun match and won't suck. Jade will win. Not sure who the first to ever beat Jade will be but it sure won't be Nyla.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 19, 2022 18:45:07 GMT -6
Damn. KS is actually making me want to order this show. You better hurry up, Zero hour is well underway.
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Post by Terry's Peeps on Nov 19, 2022 18:54:04 GMT -6
Danhausen bringing back the jar of teeth is great.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 19, 2022 19:03:00 GMT -6
AEW TNT TitleWardlow vs. Samoa Joe vs. Powerhouse HobbsJoe doesn't need it as he already is an ROH Champion. Wardlow has lost A LOT of his luster (ironically because of that whole is MJF quitting the company thing, and then MJF's All Out was sabotaged by Punk......even though Kenny tried to kill Larry) Put Wardlow back on the chase. He's better that way right now. Give it to Powerhouse. He's an organic story. Dude was on Dark & Elevation. He's so solid. Give him the strap. Joe & Wardlow can fight for the ROH title in 3 weeks.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 19, 2022 19:05:42 GMT -6
Steel Cage Match Jungle Boy Jack Perry vs. Luchasaurus
Jungle Boy
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