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Post by Optimisn on Sept 22, 2023 9:15:38 GMT -6
I've become beyond exhausted with wrestling and wrestling fans. When that happens I try to get creative. I heard the greatest performer of any generation, you should know but I mean Jeff Jarrett, say WWE merging is the end of the last territory. On that note, what's stopping someone from creating a new territory system? The NWA without the awful. Modern technology would make it easier than ever to make money and save costs. I haven't watched the OVW show yet, but that was an inspiration as well.
Start out with 5-10 larger cities that have the population and proven wrestling support. Chicago, New York, Dallas, etc. The "home office" is responsible for overseeing accounting, provide equipment, standardized marketing, suggestions for building negotiation, etc. But each local GM is responsible from the creative end based on what that market is interested in. You take all of the things wrestlers and retired wrestlers are great at, creativity, but make finances and other not so great skills more paint by numbers. Like help with negotiating building deals. It would cut down on crazy travel. Just like the territory days, guys could stay for years if they want. Or work some hot angles, learn some new stuff, work in front of crowds, and move to another area. Ultimately it could grow to much smaller towns. I mean really small. It could be their local cheap entertainment.
All of this could have one distribution platform with a new or existing digital group. Fans around the world could watch the shows on a per show or subscription basis. All while giving local fans the feel of that being their show, their performers, and their town. It could be like minor league baseball, except there's a crazy want by wrestling fans to watch every show. I don't think someone in the UK is dying to watch a Wednesday South Bend Cubs game. Also, it would allow someone to follow a wrestler's path like minor league baseball. Local areas get invested in guys, and women too for this purpose, that started out in their area. This would create a built in fan base following them around to different territories. It would be great for the larger organizations too as more people would arrive with a following. Not just NXT and whatever indies they did.
The possibility to become a true feeder system is there as well. I'm keeping this short and simple on purpose, but there's far more detail. I've probably been tossing this idea out on one message board or another for 15 years. But it really seems like it could make a ton of sense now. Franchise pro wrestling. Get TK on the blower!
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Sept 22, 2023 9:20:14 GMT -6
Doesn't every major city have multiple indys running shows already? You could convert them into the feeder promotions. But you would need them to keep their individual identities too. You want guys exposed to different styles, right? Kind of like the New Japan excursion system?
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Post by The Original Kid Cairo on Sept 22, 2023 9:33:14 GMT -6
Hey Drop, I'm processing the concept of your idea, but I'm also kinda honing in on your first sentence. I'm curious as to why you are exhausted with wrestling.
I have my moments when I drift in and out of watching, but I'd love to know why you currently find yourself in this state of mind.
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Post by Optimisn on Sept 22, 2023 9:35:35 GMT -6
Doesn't every major city have multiple indys running shows already? You could convert them into the feeder promotions. But you would need them to keep their individual identities too. You want guys exposed to different styles, right? Kind of like the New Japan excursion system? You could definitely bring existing groups into the fold or start fresh. The individual identities would be very important. I wouldn't even be opposed to somewhere like Philly having two brands. One that's their traditional Mox stuff and another that's completely different. But we'd have one marketing office that can create their stuff based on the ideas. You nailed it with the excursion comp too as a benefit. As another example, you could actually do that with a New Japan. Send a guy over to work San Antonio for 3 months, Chicago for 6 months, Portland for 3 months, and send him back. Dude/Dudette could have merch waiting in every town. Yes, that's possible. Their designs. Or maybe they suck at that and the main office comes up with ideas. It could be known where they're going to the fans, or debuts could be a surprise. Imagine having hundreds of potential surprises for every territory. You really never know who could be showing up. |
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Post by Optimisn on Sept 22, 2023 9:47:40 GMT -6
Doesn't every major city have multiple indys running shows already? You could convert them into the feeder promotions. But you would need them to keep their individual identities too. You want guys exposed to different styles, right? Kind of like the New Japan excursion system? Also, many of those groups aren't doing creative. They're fantasy booking really cool matches with the available talent with a touch of storylines. Which many are doing an outstanding job at. One is based in Chicago. It will seem like I'm shitting on hardcore wrestling because it's not my thing, except in spots. But GCW is a great model for what I'm talking about, without the GCW style. |
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Post by Optimisn on Sept 22, 2023 10:20:26 GMT -6
Hey Drop, I'm processing the concept of your idea, but I'm also kinda honing in on your first sentence. I'm curious as to why you are exhausted with wrestling. I have my moments when I drift in and out of watching, but I'd love to know why you currently find yourself in this state of mind. I'm too old for this shit. All In was the breaking point for me. I know all of the work that went into getting that show done and how hard it is to make something successful. Wrestlers don't appreciate what they have and start slap fighting with each other because they're fucking babies. Fans shit all over it because they like WWE, or the attendance might not be to the person, or the card wasn't developed in the appropriate amount of time for their satisfaction or blah blah fucking blah. I'm looking at Tony Schiavone in the middle of the ring in the Gene Okerlund spot at Mania III, with the daytime light beaming in, knowing how down on his luck Tony was just 7 years earlier. Here comes Jeff Jarrett, who was a full blown alcoholic with broken relationships everywhere just a few years prior, for a big spot on this giant show. All created by a guy our age from Illinois, who's a super nerd wrestling fan, who made this happen with the team he assembled. But his dad is rich and he didn't manage a couple things the right way so wrestling fans unite to absolutely shit all over him. Plus the people wrestling fans are shitting on are just carnies trying to bleed every dollar out of them. Because we're so fickle, that's also going to be the peak. Most successful runs in wrestling have a 3-5 year cap. People get tired, no matter how good the wrestlers, creative, etc. might be. The fucking Rock comes back but it sucks because "they" "didn't announce it." I'm too old for this shit. Time to go build something instead of critiquing people that do. |
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Sept 22, 2023 10:33:48 GMT -6
Doesn't every major city have multiple indys running shows already? You could convert them into the feeder promotions. But you would need them to keep their individual identities too. You want guys exposed to different styles, right? Kind of like the New Japan excursion system? Also, many of those groups aren't doing creative. They're fantasy booking really cool matches with the available talent with a touch of storylines. Which many are doing an outstanding job at. One is based in Chicago. It will seem like I'm shitting on hardcore wrestling because it's not my thing, except in spots. But GCW is a great model for what I'm talking about, without the GCW style. Agreed. I could see getting some existing regional companies to buy in to the type of thing you're talking about. AAW here, AIW in Cleveland, Create-a-Pro in New York, Lucha Vavoom in LA, etc. You get them equipment to put on and air shows, either on YouTube or TV every week. And in return they have a guy from thr main office there to assist with their creative. It could work. It takes a decent amount of money. But it could work. Let's do this shit. |
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Sept 22, 2023 10:42:56 GMT -6
Hey Drop, I'm processing the concept of your idea, but I'm also kinda honing in on your first sentence. I'm curious as to why you are exhausted with wrestling. I have my moments when I drift in and out of watching, but I'd love to know why you currently find yourself in this state of mind. I'm too old for this shit. All In was the breaking point for me. I know all of the work that went into getting that show done and how hard it is to make something successful. Wrestlers don't appreciate what they have and start slap fighting with each other because they're fucking babies. Fans shit all over it because they like WWE, or the attendance might not be to the person, or the card wasn't developed in the appropriate amount of time for their satisfaction or blah blah fucking blah. I'm looking at Tony Schiavone in the middle of the ring in the Gene Okerlund spot at Mania III, with the daytime light beaming in, knowing how down on his luck Tony was just 7 years earlier. Here comes Jeff Jarrett, who was a full blown alcoholic with broken relationships everywhere just a few years prior, for a big spot on this giant show. All created by a guy our age from Illinois, who's a super nerd wrestling fan, who made this happen with the team he assembled. But his dad is rich and he didn't manage a couple things the right way so wrestling fans unite to absolutely shit all over him. Plus the people wrestling fans are shitting on are just carnies trying to bleed every dollar out of them. Because we're so fickle, that's also going to be the peak. Most successful runs in wrestling have a 3-5 year cap. People get tired, no matter how good the wrestlers, creative, etc. might be. The fucking Rock comes back but it sucks because "they" "didn't announce it." I'm too old for this shit. Time to go build something instead of critiquing people that do.  |
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Post by Optimisn on Sept 22, 2023 10:45:34 GMT -6
The only issue I see with using all existing promotions is they're going to have much stronger beliefs in how to do it their way. Again, the ability to have creative freedom and operate somewhat independently is crucial. But everyone also has to be willing to play within the system, or you end up with SuperClash. Starting groups from scratch in each area with proven techniques creates more of a team environment instead of seeing what they can get out of the deal. But you still need established operators, it just has to be the right ones.
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Post by Optimisn on Sept 27, 2023 12:59:53 GMT -6
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Sept 27, 2023 17:50:03 GMT -6
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Post by Optimisn on Sept 27, 2023 18:30:24 GMT -6
I just type some words and the wrestling world follows.
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Post by Optimisn on Oct 9, 2023 18:20:56 GMT -6
Billy Corgan, board reader. Confirmed.
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