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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 9, 2016 1:18:11 GMT -6
I really don't think there was much a woman factor to all of this. The biggest factor was that Hillary was just as much and apparently more of an unlikable figure as Trump was/is. I think a woman can very easily win in America. Michelle probably could for instance.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 9, 2016 1:19:21 GMT -6
From what I'm seeing on social media, this appears to be the fault of white people. Back to you KS. I was going to mention that. What the fuck is that all about? People apologizing to Twitter on behalf of white men.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 9, 2016 1:21:38 GMT -6
From what I'm seeing on social media, this appears to be the fault of white people. Back to you KS. I was going to mention that. What the fuck is that all about? People apologizing to Twitter on behalf of white men. As a matter of fact, see? This is exactly what I'm talking about. Breaking points. That kinda crap pisses off the silent majority and the next thing that you know you have a President Trump.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 9, 2016 1:34:59 GMT -6
There's so many thoughts racing through my mind right now that I feel like my nose fell into a pile of blow. It didn't. Ah the good ol' days.
Holy frick this is insane.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 9, 2016 1:39:22 GMT -6
There's so many odd little caveats to this whole deal. I feel like the "Entertainment Factor" is one of them. I really do think there's a somewhat significant portion of people out there that just find the guy entertaining, damn the rest of it.
I worry about how shallow some people must be but then I stop and question how I can even think that. Who's to say who's right? Those of us that think that way are apparently in the minority.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 9, 2016 1:40:57 GMT -6
I even think there's a small portion of people that voted Trump because they think Ivanka and Melania are hot. I mean wasn't there something like 15,000 write in votes for that Harambe?
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 9, 2016 1:50:52 GMT -6
I think there was a rather significant portion of people that may have fell for the ISIS propaganda. Though to the best of my knowledge nobody has ever been killed in the physical United States by an actual member of ISIS.
I believe there's a couple of instances(Orlando club, California husband/wife) where people have expressed faith to ISIS or called their name out during a rampage or researched them but that's it.
ISIS is incredibly overblown in the first place.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 9, 2016 1:57:28 GMT -6
Keep seeing this woman angle on Twitter and just not buying it. My mom is 86 years old. She's darn near a saint. She's been a staunch Democratic her entire life. My dad was as well. She most definitely can't stand Trump but she couldn't stand Hillary only a smidge less. Which is astonishing to me and tells me all I need to know. This was not a woman thing, this was a candidate thing.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 9, 2016 2:08:56 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure they'll find that votes for Gary Johnson and Jill Stein hurt Hillary far more than they hurt President Trump. <----- See what I just typed there?
OMG
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 9, 2016 2:22:32 GMT -6
In the end though this is entirely on the DNC. They did indeed rig the system. Bernie should've won. Bernie would've destroyed Trump.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 9, 2016 3:05:10 GMT -6
This thing is all the more remarkable given the fact that no former President had endorsed Trump (including the Bush's obviously), the previous Republican nominee for President didn't endorse him and can't stand him and countless other republicans denounced, didn't endorse or were lukewarm on him at best.
Stunning. I am fucking stunned beyond belief.
And scared.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 9, 2016 3:22:52 GMT -6
One thing that should bode well for Democrats and/or #NeverTrumpers is that by the time 2020 rolls around, if we're still alive, Trump will probably have done enough disastrous things by then that not only will he lose some of his current support but he will invigorate his opposition to heights previously unreached.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 9, 2016 3:34:45 GMT -6
The scariest thing to me aside from his foreign policies which might start a nuclear war and end the world, and aside from his homeland policies which might ignite a civil war and/or martial law, is the fact that he will be appointing Supreme Court Justice(s). That's terrifying. I mean you can undo most of the horrific policies that he's about to interject but it's near impossible to do anything about the Supreme Court. My God, America.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 9, 2016 3:54:08 GMT -6
In short, I just don't see how we got better today.
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Post by jackref on Nov 9, 2016 6:46:40 GMT -6
Right or wrong, I think a lot of this has to do with social justice issues. Most, probably all of what I'm about to list I do support but I realize there's a breaking point for a lot of folks and obviously that breaking point just so happens to be on the side of a majority of Americans. * Political Correctness - Most of it is fine in theory but it appears we've reached the point where the majority of people are fed up with it. The perpetually offended have quite possibly morphed into the perpetually annoying. Depending what side of the aisle you're on. * Transgenders - I believe in most of the rights they're seeking but again, here's another case where the majority of people seem to be saying enough already. Transgenders make up something like less than 1% of 1% of the population. Obviously a lot of people seem to be wondering why such a small, incredibly miniscule portion of the population is featured so prominently. Do you really get to have a separate bathroom for less than 1% of 1%? Was the Caitlyn Jenner stuff perhaps a bit much for awhile there? * Black Lives Matter - At the very core, I agree with what they're about. Makes sense to me. But it's not enough. In some instances, what they're about needs to expand while in other instances they need to tighten the ship. The movement lacks badly needed leadership. Apparently their issue is mainly with the police. Statistics are on their side in several instances on that one. I guess in some instances the issues are also with various forms of government. Ok, I mean I can get with that somewhat. But then how do people end up out on the highway blocking traffic? Why are people laying on the ground in the Mall of America on Black Friday? Whether or not you believe those methods are noble or not is one thing but I can tell you that it pisses a lot of folks off. Looting a few hours after a police involved shooting without knowing any of the facts at that point is not something that gains the movement a lot of points. It's also inconceivable to a lot of people as to how "Black on black" crime is considered racist if it's brought up. Black on black crime absolutely has to be part of their platform going forward. It also didn't help with the number of police who've been killed in recent months by people with BLM ties. Another problem the movement has had is the cases that it has protested. The Mike Brown case for instance is worlds different from several of the other cases. So there's a few of the many issues they face. I'd love to see Pres Obama or Michelle get involved in some capacity. Or maybe Bernie? He has strong Civil Rights ties. Ok, gotta take a break for a second before the computer crashes and loses all of that. Quick thing on the Transgender thing - they dont' want their own bathroom. They want to use whatever bathroom they identify with. Evangelical fundamentalist morons are the ones making it an issue citing insane things like they are rapists and omg what will children think.
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Post by randomone on Nov 9, 2016 10:07:46 GMT -6
I had to unfollow my cousin on Facebook because he was complaining about how Democrats are bitching about the results & he's supporting Trump.
My cousin is gay. And he voted for a guy whose vice president thinks he can cure you of your "gayness" by using electroshock therapy.
I woke up this morning & talked with my neighbors, who are heavily Christian, who said they voted for Trump because they couldn't get on board with the Hillary lying. I said I didn't vote for Trump because of all the sexist, racist things he said & the fact that he's capable of putting us into war. To which they said something along the lines of war is inevitable. I can't remember the exact line, because I just pretty much ended the conversation & told them to have a good day.
I'm fine with the people saying use this 4 years as a way to unite & come together as a country, but it's really hard to jump on board when you don't think your president even wants that to happen.
We're going to have more enemies at the end of these 4 years than we did when we started. Whoever runs for president in 2020 will be stuck with cleaning it up.
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Post by Hawg Ass on Nov 9, 2016 10:12:06 GMT -6
Yet a lot of the people that voted for Trump feel the exact samething about the last 8 years. That seems very evident by who was elected.
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Post by randomone on Nov 9, 2016 10:16:28 GMT -6
I just have a feeling after these next 4 years (hell after a month) people will think the last 8 years weren't that bad.
I'm not sad that Hillary lost, as I wasn't a fan of hers to begin with. I'm more terrified that Trump won.
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Post by Hawg Ass on Nov 9, 2016 10:20:26 GMT -6
Also, I can't believe the Democrats didn't make headway in the House and Senate, that was a very telling thing to me about what a lot of America is thinking.
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Post by Coast2Coast on Nov 9, 2016 10:21:22 GMT -6
My brother the Trump supporter,who has been out of work for years, says he expects to have a good job within 6 months. I wonder how many Trump voters think that their lives will suddenly change now and their economic circumstances will improve. People in coal country and manufacturing also expect their old jobs to come back. They expect a govt handout in the form of a job. It's not so different from people who live with the expectation of other kinds of govt. handouts.
And how disillusioned will these Trump voters be when they realize improving their situations is on them, not the Prez?
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Post by Hawg Ass on Nov 9, 2016 10:23:24 GMT -6
My brother the Trump supporter,who has been out of work for years, says he expects to have a good job within 6 months. I wonder how many Trump voters think that their lives will suddenly change now and their economic circumstances will improve. People in coal country and manufacturing also expect their old jobs to come back. They expect a govt handout in the form of a job. It's not so different from people who live with the expectation of other kinds of govt. handouts. And how disillusioned will these Trump voters be when they realize improving their situations is on them, not the Prez? Couldn't the same thing be said in regards to the other party.
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Post by Coast2Coast on Nov 9, 2016 10:45:31 GMT -6
Yes, Hawg which is exactly my point. So many people today of both parties want govt to be their daddy, no matter how "anti-govt" they profess to be.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 9, 2016 11:42:32 GMT -6
I don't think I've ever tossed and turned like that in my entire life. I'm really not sure I even slept. I'm rather terrified.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 9, 2016 11:53:47 GMT -6
This kind of sentiment is ridiculous to me. You were perfectly allowed to vote for Johnson or Stein. People that did so are not the ones to blame for electing Trump. The DNC themselves (and probably Hillary) rigged the whole thing against Bernie in the first place. So blame them if anything. Bernie would've wiped the floor with Trump.
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Post by Hawg Ass on Nov 9, 2016 12:24:00 GMT -6
I don't think I've ever tossed and turned like that in my entire life. I'm really not sure I even slept. I'm rather terrified. I honestly don't understand all of this terrified stuff.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 9, 2016 12:29:56 GMT -6
I thought you said that Rhyno won, Speeps?
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Post by jackref on Nov 9, 2016 12:40:30 GMT -6
I don't think I've ever tossed and turned like that in my entire life. I'm really not sure I even slept. I'm rather terrified. I honestly don't understand all of this terrified stuff. You aren't a minority and been threatened to be expelled from the country. A town not too far away (Mebane) had fully dressed KKK members walking across a bridge this morning during rush hour. Not everyone who voted Trump is a bad person, but a lot of bad people voted for Trump and it has people legit scared.
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Post by jackref on Nov 9, 2016 12:42:23 GMT -6
This kind of sentiment is ridiculous to me. You were perfectly allowed to vote for Johnson or Stein. People that did so are not the ones to blame for electing Trump. The DNC themselves (and probably Hillary) rigged the whole thing against Bernie in the first place. So blame them if anything. Bernie would've wiped the floor with Trump. The sanctimonious bullshit from Hillary supporters is exhausting. They want everyone to vote, but only for their candidate. You can't have it both ways asswipes. Trying to blame the loss on 3rd party voters is moronic. Put up a better candidate and you don't have people wanting another choice.
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Post by Hawg Ass on Nov 9, 2016 13:00:03 GMT -6
I honestly don't understand all of this terrified stuff. You aren't a minority and been threatened to be expelled from the country. A town not too far away (Mebane) had fully dressed KKK members walking across a bridge this morning during rush hour. Not everyone who voted Trump is a bad person, but a lot of bad people voted for Trump and it has people legit scared. I heard the same thing from the right when Obama was elected, I thought it was dumb then and I feel the same thing now.
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Post by Terry's Peeps on Nov 9, 2016 13:19:19 GMT -6
I thought you said that Rhyno won, Speeps? He did I thnk.
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