jackref
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Post by jackref on Nov 9, 2016 13:19:46 GMT -6
I don't think Obama ever said he was going to kick people out of the country. Or build a wall. Those are pretty scary statements to a large portion of our country who aren't white, christian, or middle class.
People perceive threats differently. I don't think it is any less valid if someone is scared because they think they will be targeted by other groups. It may be more valid since it may have happened to them before.
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Post by Hawg Ass on Nov 9, 2016 13:23:52 GMT -6
I don't think Obama ever said he was going to kick people out of the country. Or build a wall. Those are pretty scary statements to a large portion of our country who aren't white, christian, or middle class. People perceive threats differently. I don't think it is any less valid if someone is scared because they think they will be targeted by other groups. It may be more valid since it may have happened to them before. No, but a lot of people still believe he has Muslim ideals, and it scared the shit out of them.
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Post by jackref on Nov 9, 2016 13:25:16 GMT -6
Ahhh. I see your point.
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Post by Hawg Ass on Nov 9, 2016 13:27:44 GMT -6
I don't like either side of it, but it is very real to the people that believe it, both ways.
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Post by Danny Busch on Nov 9, 2016 15:22:40 GMT -6
That fact that people like Jules are collectively losing their shit makes me think this is what is best for the United States.
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Post by Kirkwoodref on Nov 9, 2016 15:37:18 GMT -6
My brother the Trump supporter,who has been out of work for years, says he expects to have a good job within 6 months. I wonder how many Trump voters think that their lives will suddenly change now and their economic circumstances will improve. People in coal country and manufacturing also expect their old jobs to come back. They expect a govt handout in the form of a job. It's not so different from people who live with the expectation of other kinds of govt. handouts. And how disillusioned will these Trump voters be when they realize improving their situations is on them, not the Prez Goes to show you how poorly Hillary structured her campaign. Ignoring a sizable portion of the electorate clamoring for oxygen when they consider themselves drowning economically was a great strategy. People will ignore character flaws to achieve economic stability. When your two choices are two crooks they'll take the one who at least pretends to care about you. Let the 4 year clown show begin.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 9, 2016 18:40:27 GMT -6
I hate to say it but this is the kind of thing that got Trump elected in the first place.
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Post by Hawg Ass on Nov 9, 2016 18:42:25 GMT -6
No doubt, and I would love to know how many of them actually voted.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 9, 2016 18:46:12 GMT -6
No doubt, and I would love to know how many of them actually voted. Probably 1 out of every 4 as the post election numbers seem to indicate.
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Post by Danny Busch on Nov 9, 2016 18:50:12 GMT -6
I hate to say it but this is the kind of thing that got Trump elected in the first place. It's absolutely what got him elected. The participation award generation really can't handle anyone that has a different opinion than them. I can disagree with you but I am not going to tell you that you are wrong. There is a huge difference and there are apparently a large group of people that don't know that....and Jules is the perfect representation of them.
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Post by Hawg Ass on Nov 9, 2016 18:54:18 GMT -6
No doubt, and I would love to know how many of them actually voted. Probably 1 out of every 4 as the post election numbers seem to indicate.
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Post by Coast2Coast on Nov 9, 2016 19:35:15 GMT -6
Both sides protest, but in different ways. Democrats protest an election in the streets. Contrast that with the Republicans, who, after Obama was elected, in the words of Senate Majority Leader McConnell, dedicated themselves to "resisting everything he stands for and making him a one-term President".
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Post by Hawg Ass on Nov 9, 2016 19:42:32 GMT -6
Both sides protest, but in different ways. Democrats protest an election in the streets. Contrast that with the Republicans, who, after Obama was elected, in the words of Senate Majority Leader McConnell, dedicated themselves to "resisting everything he stands for and making him a one-term President". So the Democrats are doing both then, because I have heard their majority leaders say the same thing and they are protesting in the streets.
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Post by Coast2Coast on Nov 9, 2016 19:48:29 GMT -6
Both sides protest, but in different ways. Democrats protest an election in the streets. Contrast that with the Republicans, who, after Obama was elected, in the words of Senate Majority Leader McConnell, dedicated themselves to "resisting everything he stands for and making him a one-term President". So the Democrats are doing both then, because I have heard their majority leaders say the same thing and they are protesting in the streets. Well, there were plenty of Republican protests too, but some memories are short when it was their side doing it. And there is a key difference you are missing...the Democrats are not in the majority of either House. They have no "majority" leaders. They won't be able to stop anything. Protesting is about all they have right now. I am not defending it, just pointing out that this is hardly unusual.
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Post by Hawg Ass on Nov 9, 2016 19:54:51 GMT -6
There was no stopping of traffic, shutting down freeways or any of that. Also, the principle of not trying to work together still does apply majority or not, this young group of Liberals needs to grow up in my opinion and understand that not all of life goes your way. Sometimes you have to pull your boot straps and belts a little tighter and learn from mistakes, but don't affect others because you don't get your way.
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Post by Hawg Ass on Nov 9, 2016 19:57:37 GMT -6
As a fellow poster here posted elsewhere, it was the Clinton people asking the Trump supporters to lose with dignity and grace some 24 hours ago, amazing what short memories some have.
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Post by Terry's Peeps on Nov 9, 2016 20:05:11 GMT -6
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Post by Coast2Coast on Nov 9, 2016 20:05:25 GMT -6
Our memories are short. No stopping of traffic? Try again. I was in DC in 2009 when the Tea Party shut down DC. Which they did again in 2010. You might think Liberals' methods are different, but they really aren't. Just our memories of history. Attachments:image.bmp (741.27 KB)
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Post by Terry's Peeps on Nov 9, 2016 20:07:21 GMT -6
The "well they did this, so I'm gonna do this" has to stop.
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Post by Hawg Ass on Nov 9, 2016 20:08:30 GMT -6
There is nothing that I can open there than a picture and I really hope you don't accuse all Republicans of being Tea Partiers.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 9, 2016 20:09:03 GMT -6
Protests are FAR more frequent these days. You brought up ones from 6 & 7 years ago, Coast. There's been 6 or 7 in the last week alone.
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Post by Terry's Peeps on Nov 9, 2016 20:11:54 GMT -6
Coast is right in that both sides do this.
But you can't ask for calm and acceptance of the results and then 24 hours later be marching and saying "Not My President". At least not without looking like an idiot.
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Post by Hawg Ass on Nov 9, 2016 20:12:21 GMT -6
Also, out of curiosity, how much looting, burning of cars and businesses and stealing of property went on in those protest?
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Post by Kirkwoodref on Nov 9, 2016 20:12:50 GMT -6
Peacefully protesting is not losing without dignity.
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Post by Terry's Peeps on Nov 9, 2016 20:13:56 GMT -6
Also, out of curiosity, how much looting, burning of cars and businesses and stealing of property went on in those protest? How much is going on today?
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Post by Hawg Ass on Nov 9, 2016 20:14:00 GMT -6
Peacefully protesting is not losing without dignity. We will see if that happens, but would you like to place wager on it?
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Post by Hawg Ass on Nov 9, 2016 20:14:57 GMT -6
Also, out of curiosity, how much looting, burning of cars and businesses and stealing of property went on in those protest? How much is going on today? Time will tell but what do you think. I hope am I wrong also.
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Post by Terry's Peeps on Nov 9, 2016 20:15:15 GMT -6
Peacefully protesting is not losing without dignity. Protesting the results of the election is exactly what people were asking Trump supporters not to do yesterday. These people are fucking children throwing a temper tantrum. Someone send them to their room.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 9, 2016 20:15:31 GMT -6
Both sides do it but the frequency has amped up to the nth degree and most of it is done by the Democratic side of things. It's more in your face. As Coast said, Republicans just do a lot of it in Congress. Which is probably even more reprehensible in some fashion but it flies under the radar. Not saying one is necessarily better or worse than the other but I do know which one gets far greater exposure and thus pisses off far more people.
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Post by randomone on Nov 9, 2016 20:16:10 GMT -6
Sad thing is, I bet the same thing would be happening had Hillary won. Trump supporters would be protesting in the streets & Donald would still be saying its all rigged.
America was fucked either way in this one.
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