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Post by Kirkwoodref on Nov 9, 2016 20:16:59 GMT -6
Peacefully protesting is not losing without dignity. Protesting the results of the election is exactly what people were asking Trump supporters not to do yesterday. These people are fucking children throwing a temper tantrum. Someone send them to their room. I don't mind either side protesting. Get it out of your system. Deep breath, shake it off and re-evaluate.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 9, 2016 20:19:23 GMT -6
Peacefully protesting is not losing without dignity. Protesting the results of the election is exactly what people were asking Trump supporters not to do yesterday. These people are fucking children throwing a temper tantrum. Someone send them to their room. While well intentioned, I can't help but think if some of the anti bullying stuff and all that over the past couple of decades is maybe inadvertently leaving people ill equipped to face adversity at a later point in life.
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Post by Coast2Coast on Nov 9, 2016 20:19:44 GMT -6
I am not defending protests, but simply making the point that protests in the streets are something that have been done by people of both sides for decades after elections and in response to social injustice.
KS..There have been many other protests from the right and left; I just picked one I vividly remember from years ago to point out that right wing protests have indeed blocked traffic. There are plenty of others you can find if you wish to remind yourself of them.
Hawg, I am not painting with a broad brush accusing all Republicans of this behavior just as you are not accusing all liberals of it.
Just pointing out that when partisans complain about behavior from the other side, there is a good chance their own side has done exactly the same thing.They just don't remember it.
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Post by Kirkwoodref on Nov 9, 2016 20:21:56 GMT -6
I can't speak to the 60s and early 70s. Maybe some of our older posters can. But I don't think we're anywhere near the protests and movements around that decade, right?
We all survived just fine.
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Post by Terry's Peeps on Nov 9, 2016 20:25:24 GMT -6
Everything is cyclical. If the country is going into a more conservative era, so be it.
The nation will survive.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 9, 2016 20:25:37 GMT -6
Just for the record, protests are just a small slice of the what went wrong pie. There's plenty of other pieces.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 9, 2016 20:30:35 GMT -6
Everything is cyclical. If the country is going into a more conservative era, so be it. The nation will survive. I honestly haven't been personally affected in any life changing way that I'm readily aware of no matter who has been president in my lifetime. I realize there's huge things like Reagan's handling of the Cold War and all that but just from a day to day living type of thing, nothing has seemingly changed for me whether it was Ford, Carter, Reagan, The Bush's, Clinton or Obama.
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Post by Coast2Coast on Nov 9, 2016 20:38:23 GMT -6
You are lucky, KS. A lot of people lost jobs due in part to each of these Presidents. Some worse than others. Many of them do blame the President at the time, or the one after who didn't improve their lot.
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Post by Hawg Ass on Nov 9, 2016 20:39:06 GMT -6
Everything is cyclical. If the country is going into a more conservative era, so be it. The nation will survive. I honestly haven't been personally affected in any life changing way that I'm readily aware of no matter who has been president in my lifetime. I realize there's huge things like Reagan's handling of the Cold War and all that but just from a day to day living type of thing, nothing has seemingly changed for me whether it was Ford, Carter, Reagan, The Bush's, Clinton or Obama. Thoughts on John Quincy Adams and Lincoln?
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 9, 2016 20:42:18 GMT -6
I honestly haven't been personally affected in any life changing way that I'm readily aware of no matter who has been president in my lifetime. I realize there's huge things like Reagan's handling of the Cold War and all that but just from a day to day living type of thing, nothing has seemingly changed for me whether it was Ford, Carter, Reagan, The Bush's, Clinton or Obama. Thoughts on John Quincy Adams and Lincoln? I can't stand you.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 9, 2016 20:43:07 GMT -6
You know, it's actually quite possible that Trump will be more liberal than Hillary would've been.
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Post by Hawg Ass on Nov 9, 2016 20:43:51 GMT -6
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Post by Hawg Ass on Nov 9, 2016 20:44:40 GMT -6
My laughy was to your previous post.
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Post by Terry's Peeps on Nov 9, 2016 20:48:57 GMT -6
You know, it's actually quite possible that Trump will be more liberal than Hillary would've been. Check out his plan for the first 100 days. No chance any of that happens, but it's very liberal.
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Post by Coast2Coast on Nov 9, 2016 20:57:00 GMT -6
You know, it's actually quite possible that Trump will be more liberal than Hillary would've been. Yes and Trump and the Republican Congress will likely support and pass the very "liberal" legislation they opposed Obama on. There are several examples. Here is one -- Fiscal stimulus for infrastructure rebuilding. Obama and the D Congress did it for a few hundred million in 09, but the Tea Party revolted over it (decrying the debt) and after 2010 when the Rs took the House, the Rs opposed every single highway construction bill Obama proposed. If we take Trump at his word, he wants a fiscal stimulus for roads, infrastructure that will be several times larger than anything Obama ever proposed. If Hillary were the Prez, the Rs would surely oppose it again. But with Trump as Prez, they will go for it even huuuger, and their professed concern for debt and spending will be forgotten.
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Post by Coast2Coast on Nov 9, 2016 21:24:42 GMT -6
Protectionism and-free trade are another. Having the government protect certain industries, opposing trade treaties to give the US an edge, and engaging in trade wars are the antithesis of free-market conservative economics, but are issues Trump made a focus of his campaign. It is one of the factors that caused conservatives to realize Trump is not a consistent conservative. And yes, much more liberal than HRC.
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Post by Danny Busch on Nov 9, 2016 21:46:44 GMT -6
Both sides do it but the frequency has amped up to the nth degree and most of it is done by the Democratic side of things. It's more in your face. As Coast said, Republicans just do a lot of it in Congress. Which is probably even more reprehensible in some fashion but it flies under the radar. Not saying one is necessarily better or worse than the other but I do know which one gets far greater exposure and thus pisses off far more people. There was a bunch of that 9-12 and tea party bullshit going on in OH when I was there. I thought they were ridiculous but they also just kinda went out and said their thing. I never once felt like they were trying to scold me, guilt shame me and piss on me for not agreeing with them. This crowd, the sjw crowd and even the blm crowd seem to demand everyone agree with them. There is a very large line between wanting people to hear your voice and SJWsplaining them.
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Post by Coast2Coast on Nov 9, 2016 22:04:54 GMT -6
This is being passed out at Texas State University today. Not the same kind of protest, but you can't miss the implied threats.
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Post by Terry's Peeps on Nov 9, 2016 22:18:44 GMT -6
I'd say the threats aren't really implied.
They're pretty explicitly stated.
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Post by Coast2Coast on Nov 10, 2016 0:13:32 GMT -6
The DNC themselves (and probably Hillary) rigged the whole thing against Bernie in the first place. So blame them if anything. Bernie would've wiped the floor with Trump.A movement comprised of mostly whites, christians and disenfranchised working class people from rural America and the rust belt who wanted an outsider were going to vote for an elitist New Englander who is Jewish and a socialist and has been a Senator in DC for years? Fantasy.
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Post by jackref on Nov 10, 2016 19:14:50 GMT -6
Bottom line is everyone under estimated how disenfranchised rural white America was and how angry they were at the political machine. Most of those people aren't racists or radical militia members, they are people who want good jobs to provide for their families and not feel like Washington fat cats are just using them as pawns in their get rich quick schemes. Dems hitched their wagon to one of the most unlikable people in Washington for the past decade. Bad stratgery and they deserve this outcome now.
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Post by csfmbnas on Nov 10, 2016 22:20:20 GMT -6
Great read!
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Post by All Drop In on Nov 10, 2016 22:27:58 GMT -6
Bottom line is everyone under estimated how disenfranchised rural white America was and how angry they were at the political machine. Most of those people aren't racists or radical militia members, they are people who want good jobs to provide for their families and not feel like Washington fat cats are just using them as pawns in their get rich quick schemes. Dems hitched their wagon to one of the most unlikable people in Washington for the past decade. Bad stratgery and they deserve this outcome now. What this guy said. While I do believe the Obama Administration was doing many things that had a long instead of short view, they ignored many people along the way. What if instead of fighting with their Washington representatives, they spoke to these people during speeches? Instead they made them feel even dumber. I have so many thoughts here. The election made me physically ill. Seriously. The girl that sits closest to me called off today. She said she was sweating and had chills all night in bed. While I thought it was a Cubs, election, and actual hangover, I had the same thing. For now, I will loosely quote Lieutenant Colonel Frank Slade: "And Bill, Hillary, and Wasserman Schultz.......FUCK YOU TOO!"
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Post by Hawg Ass on Nov 10, 2016 22:29:20 GMT -6
Hope you are serious as I was very happy with the cordial discussions that took place here and wish we could do this as a country.
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Post by Danny Busch on Nov 10, 2016 22:32:34 GMT -6
Bottom line is everyone under estimated how disenfranchised rural white America was and how angry they were at the political machine. Most of those people aren't racists or radical militia members, they are people who want good jobs to provide for their families and not feel like Washington fat cats are just using them as pawns in their get rich quick schemes. Dems hitched their wagon to one of the most unlikable people in Washington for the past decade. Bad stratgery and they deserve this outcome now. What this guy said. While I do believe the Obama Administration was doing many things that had a long instead of short view, they ignored many people along the way. What if instead of fighting with their Washington representatives, they spoke to these people during speeches? Instead they made them feel even dumber. I have so many thoughts here. The election made me physically ill. Seriously. The girl that sits closest to me called off today. She said she was sweating and had chills all night in bed. While I thought it was a Cubs, election, and actual hangover, I had the same thing. For now, I will loosely quote Lieutenant Colonel Frank Slade: "And Bill, Hillary, and Wasserman Schultz.......FUCK YOU TOO!" You both partied too hard and now have HIV. Go Cubs!!!
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Post by All Drop In on Nov 10, 2016 22:35:59 GMT -6
I don't think I have the HIV. But I sweated out the last two nights like I was protesting outside TRUMP to protest the injustice of things that happen and protest because PROTEST!
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Post by csfmbnas on Nov 11, 2016 8:41:00 GMT -6
Hope you are serious as I was very happy with the cordial discussions that took place here and wish we could do this as a country. I was dead serious.
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 11, 2016 13:20:54 GMT -6
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Post by Positivity KS on Nov 11, 2016 15:17:54 GMT -6
If I'm not mistaken, I've seen stories that state Trump's Muslim ban has already disappeared from his website and now there's stories popping up that he's reconsidering his stance on repealing Obamacare and that he actually likes parts of it.
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Post by Hawg Ass on Nov 11, 2016 15:34:38 GMT -6
If I'm not mistaken, I've seen stories that state Trump's Muslim ban has already disappeared from his website and now there's stories popping up that he's reconsidering his stance on repealing Obamacare and that he actually likes parts of it. 2 parts the GOP has always liked.
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