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Post by Positivity KS on Apr 17, 2024 13:42:53 GMT -6
How dare you people not mention Orange Cassidy. Darby is another one but his longevity concerns me.
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Post by Terry's Peeps on Apr 17, 2024 13:59:03 GMT -6
Orange Cassidy is an example of the problem Tony runs into.
A guy gets super hot, and then he's left off TV for weeks and he's cooled back off. It was the same thing with Wardlow originally.
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Post by Terry's Peeps on Apr 17, 2024 17:14:46 GMT -6
Uh.....what?
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Post by Terry's Peeps on Apr 17, 2024 17:17:08 GMT -6
It's fucking pro wrestling.
It isn't MMA, boxing, or kickboxing.
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Post by Positivity KS on Apr 17, 2024 17:44:26 GMT -6
I also think the entire Don Callis family is in play. Ospreay was already mentioned but I think the other 3 could very easily be massive stars as well. (Powerhouse Hobbs, Takeshita, Kyle Fletcher)
I know some of you don't like Hangman for whatever reason, but dude can hold his own in the ring with anyone. I always felt his promos left a bit to be desired but he aced that shit in the Swerve program.
He was over like a mofo pre-pandemic when he was drinking everyone's beer and whatnot.
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Post by Terry's Peeps on Apr 17, 2024 17:51:58 GMT -6
I liked Hangman for a while. He's got the size, agility, athleticism, and charisma to be huge.
He lost me a bit with his stupid promo that started all the Punk drama, but he can still be a huge star.
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Post by The Original Kid Cairo on Apr 17, 2024 18:00:41 GMT -6
I think Hobbs could be a star but he needs a real character. He has the charisma and the in-ring ability, but the presentation is stale.
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Post by Terry's Peeps on Apr 17, 2024 18:03:38 GMT -6
Agreed.
He's not there yet, but he's young and can get there. I'm not sure he can get there with AEW based in how Tony books bigger guys, but he's got all the tools.
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Post by Positivity KS on Apr 17, 2024 18:50:26 GMT -6
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Post by Positivity KS on Apr 17, 2024 19:40:40 GMT -6
Orange Cassidy is an example of the problem Tony runs into. A guy gets super hot, and then he's left off TV for weeks and he's cooled back off. It was the same thing with Wardlow originally. Wait, hold up. This never happened.
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Post by Terry's Peeps on Apr 18, 2024 4:52:34 GMT -6
Orange Cassidy is an example of the problem Tony runs into. A guy gets super hot, and then he's left off TV for weeks and he's cooled back off. It was the same thing with Wardlow originally. Wait, hold up. This never happened. It did. Remember after All Out when he had the match with Moxley and lost the International title and it seemed like he was being positioned to move up the card. He was then off tv for a month, and then came back in a random 4 way match. Then he was off the next week, and came back the following week and was right back as International champion. It felt like his opportunity was missed to get him to that next level, and instead he just stayed at that second tier.
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Post by jackref on Apr 18, 2024 8:26:03 GMT -6
I'll reverse my previous statement on Moxley. He can still draw and I hope he evolves his character away from the ultra strong style and bleeding every match. I think him and Jay White would be a good feud for both of them.
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Post by Positivity KS on Apr 18, 2024 19:45:33 GMT -6
Wait, hold up. This never happened. It did. Remember after All Out when he had the match with Moxley and lost the International title and it seemed like he was being positioned to move up the card. He was then off tv for a month, and then came back in a random 4 way match. Then he was off the next week, and came back the following week and was right back as International champion. It felt like his opportunity was missed to get him to that next level, and instead he just stayed at that second tier. I just think after the match with Mox, Orange was scheduled for some well deserved time off. He was coming off the most impressive run of any AEW Champion by a mile in that 11 month run. Stolen from Wiki: Cassidy finally defeated Pac in a rematch to win the All-Atlantic Championship on the October 12 episode of Dynamite.[69] This marked his first championship in All Elite Wrestling. On October 21 episode of Rampage, Cassidy successfully defended his title in his first title defense against Rush and Ten in a triple threat match. In March 2023, the title would be renamed the AEW International Championship. During his reign, Cassidy successfully defended the championship against various contenders, such as Luchasaurus, Rey Fenix, Katsuyori Shibata, Lee Johnson, Jake Hager, Q. T. Marshall, Trent Seven, Trent Beretta, Kip Sabian, Jay Lethal, Lee Moriarty, Wheeler Yuta, Big Bill, Jeff Jarrett, The Butcher, Dralístico, Buddy Matthews, Bandido, Daniel Garcia, Kyle Fletcher, Swerve Strickland, and AR Fox. On June 25 at Forbidden Door, Cassidy successfully defended the AEW International Championship against Zack Sabre Jr., Katsuyori Shibata and Daniel Garcia, who Cassidy pinned, in a four-way match.[70] At All Out 2023 Cassidy lost the title to Jon Moxley in the main event.
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Post by Terry's Peeps on Apr 18, 2024 20:08:59 GMT -6
Maybe that's the case. But he had the great match with Moxley and he cemented in MANY eyes that he was ready for that next level. And instead of capitalizing on it, the guy was off TV for nearly a month. Then he cane back at the same level.
I want to see a strong followup to a guy having a career-making performance.
Don't cool them off. Keep pushing.
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Post by The Original Kid Cairo on Apr 18, 2024 20:13:43 GMT -6
Wardlow is the most egregious example. He beat MJF at Double or Nothing '22 and got cooled off damn near immediately. It was like they had no ideas for him beyond the MJF story. He still hasn't really recovered.
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Post by Positivity KS on Apr 18, 2024 20:32:28 GMT -6
Maybe that's the case. But he had the great match with Moxley and he cemented in MANY eyes that he was ready for that next level. And instead of capitalizing on it, the guy was off TV for nearly a month. Then he cane back at the same level. I want to see a strong followup to a guy having a career-making performance. Don't cool them off. Keep pushing. Just seems to me that Orange was more than likely exhausted and almost certainly suffering from lingering injuries to some extent. The All In, All Out fallout probably played a major part as well. Who knows what was planned if all that didn't happen. You couldn't really place Orange in the World picture as MJF/Cole were becoming faces and subsequently the Cole injury and the Devil angle. Tough to move Orange into the TNT Title picture with Christian and the emergence of Copeland.
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Post by Positivity KS on Apr 18, 2024 20:58:28 GMT -6
Wardlow is the most egregious example. He beat MJF at Double or Nothing '22 and got cooled off damn near immediately. It was like they had no ideas for him beyond the MJF story. He still hasn't really recovered. That one was weird. I remember blaming MJF at the time for the entire thing. I don't recall the specifics but I do remember MJF threatening to no show the event. Not sure if that was contract, storyline or something entirely else related. Just seemed to sour the whole thing. And then the actual match sucked. Seemed like Max completely mailed it in. And if I remember correctly, I didn't really enjoy Wardlow having to go thru a series of events/matches to earn that match. Felt like in the not to distant past, we had just done the same thing with MJF/Cody. Maybe I'm misremembering all that but the last person I blame is Wardlow. I know that much.
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Post by randomone on Apr 18, 2024 21:43:19 GMT -6
Wardlow beat MJF and then went into the TNT Title picture after beating Scorpio Sky. Had a nice little 4 month run, but then started that hot potatoing of the title with Joe & Hobbs and that’s where the momentum stopped. So when he lost the title to Killswitch on the debut of Collision, it was just a match.
I do recall him being hurt and having to take time off though, so that explains that absence. But since returning, he’s killed dudes, joined Undisputed Kingdom (which hasn’t been able to do much as a complete group with Cole injured) and he lost another match on TV to Joe. Now he’s back to being a dude.
Biggest mistake in my opinion was putting the TNT Title on him. They should’ve strapped the rocket to him after the original MJF win.
We’re to the point now where I wish he’d just go back and team with Max. I don’t know how they’d explain that, but just Men in Black memory zap us and have us forget.
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Post by Terry's Peeps on Apr 19, 2024 7:27:32 GMT -6
It's like how a much weaker product happens when people try to copy a successful show.
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Post by All Drop In on Apr 19, 2024 8:04:44 GMT -6
I have a very real issue with comparing too many things to Succession. Not once during this entire process did I ever think the Young Bucks new gimmick was inspired by Succession.
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Post by Terry's Peeps on Apr 19, 2024 8:10:23 GMT -6
Same. It's really nothing like it.
Maybe I'd get more of that if the performers were more talented.
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Post by jackref on Apr 19, 2024 10:32:21 GMT -6
Its not at all like Succession. More like the Beverly Hillbillies.
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Post by The Original Kid Cairo on Apr 19, 2024 12:04:44 GMT -6
Same. It's really nothing like it. Maybe I'd get more of that if the performers were more talented. Interesting...you don't think the Bucks are talented? I think they're incredibly annoying, but my stance is that they're talented at their style of wrestling, even though I hate their style of wrestling with a burning passion. But they are good at whatever "that" style is.
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Post by The Original Kid Cairo on Apr 19, 2024 12:05:04 GMT -6
Its not at all like Succession. More like the Beverly Hillbillies. Great avatar you're sporting there.
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Post by randomone on Apr 19, 2024 12:22:28 GMT -6
We’re to the point now where I wish he’d just go back and team with Max. I don’t know how they’d explain that, but just Men in Black memory zap us and have us forget. They’re on the case, we’re good.
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Post by Terry's Peeps on Apr 19, 2024 12:40:27 GMT -6
Same. It's really nothing like it. Maybe I'd get more of that if the performers were more talented. Interesting...you don't think the Bucks are talented? I think they're incredibly annoying, but my stance is that they're talented at their style of wrestling, even though I hate their style of wrestling with a burning passion. But they are good at whatever "that" style is. They are. I hate them, though. Haha.
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Post by randomone on Apr 19, 2024 14:20:55 GMT -6
Love Willow, she’s not wrong.
Also Mercedes needs to realize she’s not in WWE anymore, her over rehearsed verbiage in her promos makes her totally out of place.
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Post by The Original Kid Cairo on Apr 19, 2024 14:34:41 GMT -6
Those Willow comments sound a lot like a toned-down version of the same Hangman/Punk bullshit from a few years ago. Not liking the vibe at all.
If it's kayfabe, then cool. But if she's shooting, I don't like that.
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Post by Terry's Peeps on Apr 19, 2024 15:16:20 GMT -6
I'm sure it's 100% kayfabe.
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Post by All Drop In on Apr 19, 2024 15:38:05 GMT -6
If she comes in and goes to the top, people complain WWE people are immediately pushed. If they go through young people first they're killing talent and Tony is a daddy's boy for wasting his investment. It's all old. Very, very old.
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