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Post by The Original Kid Cairo on May 24, 2024 13:29:52 GMT -6
A good point that Alvarez made in another video is that AEW doesn't book long term anymore. They book week-to-week.
Now, with monthly PPVs I can understand that gameplan. When they had only 4-6 PPVs per year, it was easier to think long term when your next big show was two or three months away. But even with the week-to-week booking, the TV is not episodic. It's like each show takes place in a vacuum.
Dynamite should lead you into Collision, which should lead you into next week's Dynamite, etc. But nothing flows from one show to the next. You don't end Dynamite thinking, "I can't wait till Collision."
Personally, I think the roster is too big and Tony is not a good enough booker to manage all that talent, so guys and gals just get thrown into matches willy-nilly because they have to be on TV to justify the contracts. These guys are just action figures in Tony's toy chest.
And what was the point of putting the title on Swerve?
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Post by randomone on May 24, 2024 13:40:20 GMT -6
I honestly think the injuries have spooked Tony a bit too. All that time and effort into the Devil storyline and it’s wasted due to the unfortunate injuries. Danielson has had injuries before, the multiple Punk injuries put a stop or pivot to storylines, etc.
Total agreement that they need to do a better job building up weekly episodic TV and making you want to see what’s next instead of just casually popping in and seeing what’s happening on AEW lately.
As someone who has recapped Dynamite for a year and half now, nothing frustrates me more than at the end of my review when I list what’s happening on Rampage/Collision and I have one match. Only for them to just announce the cards most of the time on Twitter literally like an hour later. Then there’s also Dynamite for the following week, which practically never has matches listed.
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Post by Optimisn on May 24, 2024 14:19:00 GMT -6
I honestly think the injuries have spooked Tony a bit too. All that time and effort into the Devil storyline and it’s wasted due to the unfortunate injuries. Danielson has had injuries before, the multiple Punk injuries put a stop or pivot to storylines, etc. Total agreement that they need to do a better job building up weekly episodic TV and making you want to see what’s next instead of just casually popping in and seeing what’s happening on AEW lately. As someone who has recapped Dynamite for a year and half now, nothing frustrates me more than at the end of my review when I list what’s happening on Rampage/Collision and I have one match. Only for them to just announce the cards most of the time on Twitter literally like an hour later. Then there’s also Dynamite for the following week, which practically never has matches listed. They should put you on the podcast to discuss the Rampage/Collision thing. Seriously.
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Post by Positivity Peeps on May 24, 2024 15:39:35 GMT -6
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Post by Back To December KS on May 25, 2024 13:52:52 GMT -6
Pretty sure I'm in love with Robyn Renegade.
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Post by Optimisn on May 25, 2024 16:24:08 GMT -6
Robyn Renegade sounds like a GLOW jobber
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Post by Positivity Peeps on May 26, 2024 10:27:06 GMT -6
...Mone said Tony Khan wanted to delay things to “make sure that everything was lined up perfectly” for one of his three big free-agent signings this year, along with Will Ospreay and Kazuchika Okada.
...“When I first started to train, just running ropes hurt and that scared me,” Moné said. “I’m like, ‘No way I’m going the path to feel this pain my whole life.’ Finally, it got better and little things stopped hurting and finally (Tyler) Breeze pushed me to do some of my moves that I was gonna do like double knees and going off the top rope. I hit them, so the fear was gone. Everything felt back to normal and I’m ready.”
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Post by Back To December KS on May 27, 2024 21:54:42 GMT -6
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Post by randomone on May 28, 2024 11:29:06 GMT -6
What’s Rick Knox’s niece Rebecca doing in All Elite Wrestling??
But seriously, she’ll stay in WWE. Rollins is there, why break that up? Unless she wants an easier schedule and less travel. But I believe they have their own tour bus, so they can travel with their daughter, which has to be a plus for staying with WWE
Much deserved time off before she comes back I’d say
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Post by Positivity Peeps on May 28, 2024 11:44:05 GMT -6
What’s Rick Knox’s niece Rebecca doing in All Elite Wrestling?? POP
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Post by Positivity Peeps on May 28, 2024 13:08:29 GMT -6
Bleacher Report recently shared a list ranking its top 40 "Greatest AEW Superstars Ever"
40 - Dustin Rhodes 39 - Saraya 38 - Santana & Ortiz 37 - Ruby Soho 36 - House of Black 35 - The Acclaimed 34 - Claudio Castagnoli 33 - Kris Statlander 32 - Ricky Starks 31 - Wardlow 30 - Jack Perry 29 - Willow Nightingale 28 - Sammy Guevara 27 - Adam Cole 26 - Thunder Rosa 25 - Jamie Hayter 24 - Pac 23 - Brodie Lee 22 - Samoa Joe 21 - Eddie Kingston 20 - Swerve Strickland 19 - Lucha Bros 18 - Jade Cargill 17 - FTR 16 - Christian Cage 15 - Hikaru Shida 14 - Toni Storm 13 - CM Punk 12 - Darby Allin 11 - Orange Cassidy 10 - Sting 9 - Cody Rhodes 8 - Britt Baker 7 - Hangman Page 6 - Chris Jericho 5 - Bryan Danielson 4 - Young Bucks 3 - MJF 2 - Kenny Omega 1 - Jon Moxley
I believe Bleacher Report may be insane.
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Post by Positivity Peeps on May 28, 2024 17:28:10 GMT -6
AA getting set to rejoin Team Cody in WWE soon...
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Post by randomone on May 28, 2024 17:51:30 GMT -6
Brock Anderson set to get that mega push!
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Post by randomone on May 28, 2024 17:52:32 GMT -6
And essentially Bleacher Report named 40 AEW wrestlers
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Post by Ryan Made Punk on May 28, 2024 17:56:04 GMT -6
What did CM Punk exactly do to garner that high of a ranking over a guy like Samoa Joe?
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Post by Positivity Peeps on May 28, 2024 18:02:42 GMT -6
What did CM Punk exactly do to garner that high of a ranking over a guy like Samoa Joe? He honestly should be in the top 5.
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Post by Positivity Peeps on May 28, 2024 22:38:24 GMT -6
Cool thought, but those belts look like shit.
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Post by Ryan Made Punk on May 29, 2024 6:26:03 GMT -6
Shaq was one of their biggest draws for me.
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Post by PositivelyJackref on May 29, 2024 7:41:25 GMT -6
What did CM Punk exactly do to garner that high of a ranking over a guy like Samoa Joe? He was their biggest draw - by a mile. The list should be: MJF Punk Cody Mox Jericho The end.
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Post by The Original Kid Cairo on May 29, 2024 13:39:35 GMT -6
What did CM Punk exactly do to garner that high of a ranking over a guy like Samoa Joe? He was their biggest draw - by a mile. The list should be: MJF Punk Cody Mox Jericho The end. I think you could make a case for putting Kenny in there, but your overall point is spot on.
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Post by PositivelyJackref on May 29, 2024 14:09:43 GMT -6
I debated between Kenny and Mox and Jericho - any two of those 3 could be in there but not all three if that makes sense. For me it came down to injuries for Kenny. And he never really developed any AEW character outside of being in the Elite with the Bucks.
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Post by Back To December KS on Jun 4, 2024 22:41:22 GMT -6
Kelly gives his side of his departure from All Elite Wrestling.
In March, it was reported by PW Torch that AEW released commentator Kevin Kelly. He was removed from the company’s official roster page and was not in attendance for the taping of Collision that he was scheduled to commentate.
Kelly opened up about his exit as he was doing a virtual signing for K & S WrestleFest. While doing so, he dove into his issues with Ring of Honor commentator Ian Riccaboni, along with the QAnon accusation against him. Kevin stated that he and Ian’s issues derive from Ian talking down on his name in an NJPW Discord chat while Kevin was away from AEW doing commentary for the G1 Climax.
He said he wanted to hash out the problems with Riccaboni, but they never had that in-depth chat and then things began to shift in AEW. Kelly feels he was never a good fit for AEW and shared that he questioned why Collision had to be the same as Dynamite. It got to a point where he was in a bad mental space and expressed that to management.
After venting his grievances, Kelly said he was let go. He added that he always wanted to smooth things over with Riccaboni. Ian did tell Kevin why he was upset with him and one of the reasons stemmed from Kelly getting on Ian’s case for wearing a cowboy hat while sitting next to Jim Ross on Collision.
Sure felt like it (Ian Riccaboni was plotting against me) … Yeah (Riccaboni took over from me in ROH), because I got him a job. We were friends.
It still makes no sense. Ian Riccaboni, I first met him at the Monster Factory. Bob Evans said to me, ‘Brutal’ Bob Evans, who had been doing a lot of training with the Monster Factory crew, said, ‘You need to meet Ian because he’s really good and he’s special and he should get a look for Ring of Honor’ so I went there, did a seminar, met him and was like, ‘Oh my gosh, yes. Let’s see how you do. Come on with me. We’ll start having you come local,’ so anything in the northeast and he made some long drives and did it the right way and it was like, okay, he called the dark matches. He could do Women of Honor, so it would be unique, different branding, and we got along great and we worked together on some shows. Everything was fine. When Joey Mercury left, I found out that Ian was kind of, as Dennis Coralluzzo used to say, ‘Putting the mouth on me,’ Ian was, in the office. Yeah, after I was gone. Because I went to New Japan. I was like, ‘Eh, alright,’ and I talked to some people about it and I was like, ‘Ah, I’m not gonna worry about it.’ Yeah, whatever. But then, I start doing this AEW thing and Tony Khan told me, ‘I first wanted Ian Riccaboni to do Collision but, he couldn’t because of his day job.’ Okay. So, Ian recommended me. Great, cool. I go away — they knew this. I go away to do the G1, I’m gone five weeks, I come back and it’s like, Ian’s hammered me on Discord on this New Japan message board about, you know, I did all these different things to him, over the years, which I never knew. I had no clue, and then, to top it all off, he accuses me of being some QAnon conspiracy theorist for supporting a movie that was against child trafficking. That’s neither here nor there. The part that bothers me so much is that I thought we were friends and if he would have called me, we could have talked about it. Hey Kevin, listen, you’re really pissing me off, and even if we would have agreed to never be friends before, if he would have just called me up and said, F you, I hate you, I never wanna see you again. At least I would know where I stood and then I could work towards fixing what I had done wrong. But instead, the way that he went about it painted me with a nasty brush and it was done on purpose so that the fans would turn against me because he did it in a New Japan Discord board, and people were messaging me that I’m friends with because I’d go there all the time. That’s how I found out about it. Jet lag, post-G1. I wake up, I was like, ‘Oh, let’s see what they’re saying about us. Hey, wait a minute. What the hell?’ And people that I’m friendly with in there were like, ‘What is Ian doing? Why is he doing this?’ ‘I have no idea’ so I message him and it’s like, ‘Hey, what’s going on?’ ‘Well, you said and did a bunch of different things to me over the years and I’m pissed off about it.’ ‘Okay, but, well let’s talk about it.’ ‘Well, I’ll only talk to you if you guarantee that you’re not gonna record the call.’ I’m like, ‘I wouldn’t know how to record a call off a cellphone. What are you? Crazy? Yeah, sure. We need to talk about this, we need to talk about this’ and we never did and then, things started to change within AEW, and it was almost like hand in glove. It was never a good fit, me being there. I came from New Japan, where I was left alone and I knew what I was doing and I was calling matches that were just like AEW and all of a sudden now, I’ve got all these people in my ear and I’ve got all this format stuff and it’s like, ‘Why do we have to do things the same way Dynamite is?’ Is what I said. ‘Why do we have to be the same show? Don’t we want Collision to be different? Isn’t this a different thing?’ Whether it was split because of CM Punk and The (Young) Bucks, I have no idea. That was never even brought up. But it was a separate show, Saturday night, great. Let’s make it different, let’s do some different things.
Why can’t we as announcers be different? Because I’m different than Taz and Excalibur and (Tony) Schiavone and just the handwriting was on the wall and it wasn’t gonna work and I was getting more and more pissed off and I talked to the AEW office about it. I talked to them and I told them that I was mentally getting really in a bad spot over this too, and I vented and when I vented, that’s when they let me go… Again, no harm, no foul with AEW — no. Big blame. Big blame there but I always wanted to straighten things out with Ian and I feel terrible that he was mad at me over something he never told me and it led to a bunch of different problems. One incident in particular, he did spell it out for me and I did say it to him. I meant it in like a — I won’t go into it but, I didn’t get the chance to explain it but I understand how it could be taken the wrong way and oh, the other thing that he said was that I knocked him for wearing a hat on Collision, which I did, a cowboy hat, because he’s sitting right next to Jim Ross. Because they’re in Calgary in Stampede and I was like, saying it because guess what? You’re gonna get heat with J.R. if you’re wearing a cowboy hat sitting next to him at the announce desk. Whether he says it’s okay or not, that doesn’t matter… And it was born in Calgary, it was born at the Stampede and he’s the one who wears the f*cking cowboy hat. Why would you do that? Whatever. Listen, Ian got upset about that. Give me a break.
He went on to state that he does have ill feelings towards to AEW. Circling back to the departure, co-Executive Producer and Senior Production Executive Mike Mansury and the V.P. of Human Resources informed Kelly of his exit.
It was Kelly publicly airing his grievances with Ian on X and then venting via voicemail to H.R. that led to the disciplinary committee getting involved. They made their decision about Kelly’s future, but Kevin claims they could not immediately tell him what their decision was because it was ‘private.’
He reiterated that his mental health was not in a good spot and does not think AEW did a good job of handling that. By this point, it had nothing to do with Riccaboni, although Kelly admitted that he lumped Ian into everything. He said he was much happier in New Japan.
Of course (I have ill feelings towards AEW for how things ended). I wouldn’t treat my worst enemy like that. Mike Mansury (told me I was being let go). The Executive Producer, and the new Vice President of Human Resources who I’d never met and spoke to ever before. I knocked the company on Twitter and vented on a voicemail to the H.R. lady that I had been working with. Problem was I never knew where — I brought up this whole thing with Ian (Riccaboni) and they said, ‘Yes, good. Thank you for bringing it up.’ ‘What’s going to happen?’ I said, ‘What’s the process?’ ‘Well, we’ll discuss it, we’ll let you know’ and apparently, the disciplinary got together — committee got together and made a decision. ‘Okay, what was the decision?’ ‘Well, we can’t tell you because it’s private.’ ‘Wait a minute, I was the one who was the victim here. I need to know what happened so I could put this to bed in my mind.’ ‘Well, we just can’t tell you.’ ‘Okay, this is very upsetting for me. You have to understand this?’ ‘Nah, we really don’t understand and we don’t care.’ So, whatever. They’ll get theirs.
My mental health was not good, from when this began and it was taking a toll on my marriage, on my family, on me personally, physically, mentally, and I mean, it’s really nobody’s business, but, my mental health was not good. It’s better now, thank God. I’ve gotten some help, I’ve gotten fixed — well, working on being fixed, as we all can be. But, for a company that cares so much about their athletes… I booked an appointment with the psychiatrist and I got all the text messages of me just ranting and raving with the poor guy, David Weinstein. I set up an appointment with him on Thursday because we were taping TV that next day and then they fired me on Wednesday. So, you guys really care about the people that you employ. So, yeah, it wasn’t about Ian at that point anymore. But I did kind of lump him in-in all of it. But now it’s like I’m trying to process it. So forgiving him is easy. Forgiving him, it’s already done as far as I’m concerned. But, again, you cannot do something like that. It happened to a much greater extent — I’m not comparing myself to it at all — but to Hana Kimura. Because when you bring down the force of social media onto a person, wrongly accusing someone, there are consequences. You can’t do that, you shouldn’t do that and I mean, what happened to Hana, of course was much worse than what happened to me. I’m not even comparing those but, again, it’s the same type of thing and that’s really just it. I was not a fit for AEW. I just felt like it was a very different kind of place and very stressful. So many people. There was so much chaos and it just really stressed me out a lot. So, I was much happier in New Japan, except for the flights.
Elsewhere during the signing, Kelly brought up the idea of him being brought on board for Collision because CM Punk was there and Punk was not going to have Excalibur call the show because of the connection to The Young Bucks (Matthew Jackson & Nicholas Jackson). Kelly said once Punk was gone, maybe the thought was he could go too.
Here’s the other thing: Was there a one-on-one relationship — was I brought in exclusively because of CM Punk? Who wasn’t gonna have Excalibur call the show, and then when Punk is gone, well now we can get rid of Kevin. We don’t know.
The last episode of Collision that Kelly called was the March 2nd program and he shared the commentary desk with Nigel McGuinness, Tony Schiavone and ‘Daddy Magic’ Matt Menard.
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Jun 4, 2024 23:17:40 GMT -6
Sounds like a split was best for everyone.
Kevin is still the best commentator going.
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Post by Back To December KS on Jun 5, 2024 13:20:14 GMT -6
I think they dropped the rankings again.
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Jun 5, 2024 13:25:55 GMT -6
I think they dropped the rankings again. If so, then just leave it be and forget they existed. Don't try and bring them back in 6 months. Just forget you ever tried to use them.
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Post by randomone on Jun 5, 2024 13:56:39 GMT -6
I would be fine if they had them strictly for the World Title. That way you could have guys wrestle in the Top 10 and actually climb them instead of Title Eliminators.
I don’t think anyone has ever won an Eliminator to earn a title shot, have they? There’s been more title changes on Battle of the Belts, which I think is 1.
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Jun 5, 2024 14:06:40 GMT -6
I'd like rankings for the World Title if they knew how to use them correctly.
But they've shown they don't. So just ignore them and do what you want.
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Post by Ryan Made Punk on Jun 5, 2024 14:24:28 GMT -6
I would be fine if they had them strictly for the World Title. That way you could have guys wrestle in the Top 10 and actually climb them instead of Title Eliminators. I don’t think anyone has ever won an Eliminator to earn a title shot, have they? There’s been more title changes on Battle of the Belts, which I think is 1. I like this if they were to keep any sort version.
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Post by randomone on Jun 5, 2024 21:03:28 GMT -6
MJF’s girlfriend is All Elite. She’s Tits McGee from Whore Island (Max’s description of her, not mine).
She’s a good interviewer though. They have Renee (who is the gold standard), Lexy Nair (who is solid) and Arcady Aura is brand new. Her saying every Wednesday makes me think Renee is doing more than just backstage stuff now, which is good, Renee is great. She’s also done like 87 backstage segments a week it’s felt like.
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Post by PositivelyJackref on Jun 6, 2024 5:35:47 GMT -6
I think they dropped the rankings again. Once again i was right. I will be accepting apologies the rest of the week. Thank you.
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