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Post by Positivity Peeps on Sept 10, 2024 7:47:54 GMT -6
Godfather I don't think wanted any part of it. He was happy with his gimmick.
If they would've kept it small with Stevie and Ivory, maybe Bull Buchanan too, it could've been better than it was.
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Post by Ryansback on Sept 10, 2024 7:52:05 GMT -6
Thing with Godfather was its not lot he was going anywhere with is current gimmick. I felt like it was jsut starting to get stale. I think if he had embraced it and contributed to ideas around their story it could have been good.
You'll love this. Whose idea? Tony or Dave?
The righttocensor.com domain remained active for 19 years even after the group's dissolution; until mid-2002, the address redirected to WWF's/WWE's Superstars website, before WWE lost the domain to squatters. For unknown reasons, an unknown individual acquired the former website's domain in July 2020 and redirects the righttocensor.com domain to rival All Elite Wrestling (AEW)'s website.[5][6] As of May 2024, the domain returned to squatters and contains advertisements for various unrelated services.
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Post by The Original Kid Cairo on Sept 10, 2024 7:52:43 GMT -6
Right To Censor was an excellent heel gimmick under the premise of not lasting more than a year. Steven Richards was wonderful in his role. The rest of their story lacked the right execution. It could have been done really well. For me, it was one of those gimmicks that was awesome until the match started. |
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Post by Ryansback on Sept 10, 2024 7:54:11 GMT -6
Right To Censor was an excellent heel gimmick under the premise of not lasting more than a year. Steven Richards was wonderful in his role. The rest of their story lacked the right execution. It could have been done really well. For me, it was one of those gimmicks that was awesome until the match started. That's very fair. They needed a technician in that group or some main event status. I think bring back "Sid Justice" could have been cool. |
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Post by randomone on Sept 10, 2024 9:11:42 GMT -6
Yeah Godfather stated he just wasn’t comfortable in the role. The faction also had a shelf life and I think they got the most out of it as possible. Stevie as the leader, Ivory was a funny female figure, Bull was the muscle.
Godfather to Goodfather remains the simplest heel character name turn ever, but after a few months it just was there.
One person who didn’t really fit the crew was Val. I get it, porn star turned RTC, but he dressed like a milk man and didn’t change his style or anything. Very bland and boring.
But I did enjoy the faction itself, but as mentioned, until the bell rang
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Sept 10, 2024 9:27:37 GMT -6
Right To Censor was an excellent heel gimmick under the premise of not lasting more than a year. Steven Richards was wonderful in his role. The rest of their story lacked the right execution. It could have been done really well. For me, it was one of those gimmicks that was awesome until the match started. If they would've worked like it was the 50s, with headlock takedowns and maybe a bodyslam finish, it would've been awesome. |
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Post by The Original Kid Cairo on Sept 10, 2024 9:37:57 GMT -6
For me, it was one of those gimmicks that was awesome until the match started. If they would've worked like it was the 50s, with headlock takedowns and maybe a bodyslam finish, it would've been awesome. Yeah, they should've gone full "bore the shit out of the crowd" mode. I agree. |
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Sept 10, 2024 9:40:17 GMT -6
Kind of a take on the anti-hardcore ECW Cactus Jack.
Such an easy way to get heat from a crowd.
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Post by randomone on Sept 10, 2024 10:35:20 GMT -6
I’ll never forget discovering ECW years later and getting to actually see it. It was always an Apter mags kind of thing where I’d see pics but because I never got the channel it was on, it was this whole new discovery.
Mick’s run, Austin, the whole Raven/Sandman angle
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Post by Ryansback on Sept 18, 2024 6:46:40 GMT -6
I don’t enjoy anything about thumbtacks. Sorry Mick.
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Sept 18, 2024 6:59:13 GMT -6
It's sad that thumbtacks are one of the "safer" items used in hardcore matches.
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Post by The Original Kid Cairo on Sept 18, 2024 15:33:49 GMT -6
SummerSlam '92 is a very bad show with a huge crowd and a great main event. Warrior/Savage was okay (if not a little boring), but the "Whose side is Mr. Perfect on?" storyline was really stupid.
And Vince probably had his most insufferable commentary performance ever. Vince was so bad, he made Heenan suck.
Irredeemable show (other than the main event and Sherri's pants). So many people speak highly of this show and I have no idea why.
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Sept 18, 2024 16:10:58 GMT -6
SummerSlam '92 is a very bad show with a huge crowd and a great main event. Warrior/Savage was okay (if not a little boring), but the "Whose side is Mr. Perfect on?" storyline was really stupid. And Vince probably had his most insufferable commentary performance ever. Vince was so bad, he made Heenan suck. Irredeemable show (other than the main event and Sherri's pants). So many people speak highly of this show and I have no idea why. Honestly I think because of the environment. I haven't watched it in forever but being the first PPV in England made it seem better than it was. |
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Post by The Original Kid Cairo on Oct 15, 2024 17:59:35 GMT -6
All things considered, 1996 wasn't a bad year for WWE. They get overshadowed obviously because the nWo story was scorching hot.
Unpopular Opinion: If you take away the nWo in 1996, like say Hall and Nash stayed in WWE and the nWo never happens, WWE had a superior product than WCW.
The truly shit years in the 90s were '93 to '95. 1996 was pretty good overall.
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Post by Optimisn on Oct 15, 2024 18:37:39 GMT -6
All things considered, 1996 wasn't a bad year for WWE. They get overshadowed obviously because the nWo story was scorching hot. Unpopular Opinion: If you take away the nWo in 1996, like say Hall and Nash stayed in WWE and the nWo never happens, WWE had a superior product than WCW. The truly shit years in the 90s were '93 to '95. 1996 was pretty good overall. I'm telling Bert you said that. |
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Post by The Original Kid Cairo on Oct 15, 2024 20:54:25 GMT -6
That's the irony too, because Bert is my all time favorite wrestler.
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Post by November KS on Oct 15, 2024 21:44:50 GMT -6
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Post by Optimisn on Oct 16, 2024 7:48:46 GMT -6
I'm telling Bert Dax said that
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Oct 16, 2024 7:54:40 GMT -6
All things considered, 1996 wasn't a bad year for WWE. They get overshadowed obviously because the nWo story was scorching hot. Unpopular Opinion: If you take away the nWo in 1996, like say Hall and Nash stayed in WWE and the nWo never happens, WWE had a superior product than WCW. The truly shit years in the 90s were '93 to '95. 1996 was pretty good overall. Even if Hall and Nash left to WCW, but they don't run the nWo angle and instead "Blade" and "Unleaded" debut, WWE would be looked at as far superior. But then it's unlikely we never get Austin and Rock being what they became. |
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Post by The Original Kid Cairo on Oct 16, 2024 8:02:24 GMT -6
Very good points Peeps.
The success of WCW in 1996 was the combination of Hall & Nash coming in, plus Hogan as the third man. If Hogan isn't the third man, the nWo is a failure.
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Oct 16, 2024 8:06:57 GMT -6
I think Sting as the 3rd man could've worked. Not in the same way that it did with Hulk, but it could've worked if you could've got him to buy in.
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Post by randomone on Oct 16, 2024 8:38:53 GMT -6
I think the NWO could’ve worked with Sting as the third man. Not nearly to the level that it did, but I think Hogan feuding with those guys could’ve benefitted WCW instead of him wrestling Dungeon of Doom guys another year. Hogan sitting in the rafters sulking for a year makes me laugh though. He’d never be able to pull off what Sting did in that regard. If you remember in 95, Hogan wore all black and tried to be serious for a second, but he was feuding with comic book characters, so that quickly turned to Zorro mask and trying to sell that he was touching hot liquid in the actual Dungeon (member that shit??)
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Post by randomone on Oct 16, 2024 8:41:00 GMT -6
96 is interesting though. Bret was gone from after Mania to Survivor Series. That’s an incredibly large chunk.
Shawn’s reign as champ during that time is a little overrated (Unpopular Opinion?) He has his sendoff with Nash, the feud with Bulldog (which was built around sexually assaulting Diana Hart), Vader (which was a good match to everyone but Shawn and his tantrum), then he dropped it to Sid. It’s just remembered as great due to how few top stars were there at the time. Taker was with Mankind, Austin hadn’t taken off yet, Ahmed wasn’t the guy, Warrior bailed.
EDIT: I forgot Mind Games with Mick, that was great
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Post by Ryansback on Oct 16, 2024 8:57:31 GMT -6
That Mind Games match is one of my favorites. Meltzer probably rated it 2.5 stars.
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Oct 16, 2024 9:56:05 GMT -6
That Mind Games match is one of my favorites. Meltzer probably rated it 2.5 stars. 4.75 stars was the actual rating. Dave used to be fair and balanced... |
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Post by Optimisn on Oct 16, 2024 10:16:01 GMT -6
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Post by randomone on Oct 16, 2024 10:22:27 GMT -6
Since Dave was brought up again by you guys (not by me!) Here is HBK’s star ratings for 96
Mick at Mind Games 4.75
Nash No Holds Barred 4.5
Ironman with Bret 4.25
Bulldog KOTR 4.25
Vader Summerslam 4
Owen IYH 4
Sid Survivor Series 3.75
6 man tag IYH 3.75
Bulldog IYH Beware of Dog 2.5
96 Rumble 2.5
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Oct 16, 2024 10:37:32 GMT -6
Bert journaled in Bret's blood... |
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Oct 16, 2024 10:38:21 GMT -6
Since Dave was brought up again by you guys (not by me!) Here is HBK’s star ratings for 96 Mick at Mind Games 4.75 Nash No Holds Barred 4.5 Ironman with Bret 4.25 Bulldog KOTR 4.25 Vader Summerslam 4 Owen IYH 4 Sid Survivor Series 3.75 6 man tag IYH 3.75 Bulldog IYH Beware of Dog 2.5 96 Rumble 2.5 DAVE WON'T GIVE OSPREAY A 2.5 STAR MATCH IN 2024 I BET! LUDICROUS! |
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Post by The Original Kid Cairo on Oct 16, 2024 10:53:09 GMT -6
To be fair, that Shawn/Bulldog match from Beware of Dog was pure garbage. Dave's being kind. I personally would've given it a star at best.
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