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Post by Optimisn on May 16, 2014 16:49:55 GMT -6
This is big enough to deserve a thread. They really screwed the pooch here. Honestly, I'm shocked. I thought they'd at least reach their floor, potentially getting stupid money. Live television rights are the hot thing right now. This story will be fun to follow. I'm not sure how this happened. VINCE LOST 345 MILLION DOLLARS! Vince could have given NBC Universal 250 million dollars, making it look like a 450 million dollar deal, and probably be up 150. Haha.
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Post by Positivity Peeps on May 16, 2014 18:00:53 GMT -6
Vince spent more on 2 campaigns for his wife's bucket list.
I think he'll be okay.
But I'd be worried if I was COCK-BLOCKING SON-IN-LAW.
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Post by dougref on May 16, 2014 18:06:56 GMT -6
Bring back the Gobbledegooker and print money.
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Post by PositivelyJackref on May 16, 2014 18:21:13 GMT -6
Bring back the Gobbledegooker and print money. Mom is fucking pissed at you dude. She called me complaining that you took her "medicine" again. |
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Post by dougref on May 16, 2014 18:24:27 GMT -6
FUCK! She wasn't fooled by the Smarties?
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Post by Vincent Kennedy McMahon on May 16, 2014 18:28:41 GMT -6
MIDWAY THROUGH MURDEROUS RAMPAGE. RIP JIM DUGGAN. IT'S AMAZING HOW PEOPLE WILL FLY TO YOU TO DIE IF YOU COVER COSTS AND A LIMO. HAVEN'T SLEPT FOR TWO DAYS. 8 PM EASTERN SUPPLY OF NICARAGUAN NOSE CANDY WEAK LIKE MY ENTERTAINMENT COMPANY NEGOTIATING TEAM. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN, BUT I KNOW IT ENDS WITH THE GREEKS.
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Post by Vincent Kennedy McMahon on May 16, 2014 18:34:15 GMT -6
MAYBE I COULD STOP THIS ALL? WHAT IF I MAKE AMENDS WITH TED? TED COULD BRING THE LAND AND BUFFALO, I BRING THE LOOSE WOMEN READY FOR SEX,DEATH, AND BRAZILIAN BAM BAM. WHO IS GOING TO FIND THEM? BUFFALO? I SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE INVOLVED IN THESE FUCKING RIGHTS NEGOTIATIONS. A LINE LIKE THAT WOULD HAVE LANDED ONE BILLION.
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Post by Vincent Kennedy McMahon on May 16, 2014 19:58:40 GMT -6
SITTING IN MY CONNECTICUT OFFICE. I'VE TRADED IN A SEVEN THOUSAND DOLLAR SUIT FOR GEAR SIMILAR TO WWE SUPERSTAR ROMAN REIGNS. PLOTTING. TRYING TO DECIDE IF THIS IS IT. RIP PAT PATTERSON. I ALWAYS LOVED YOU. THIS ALL ENDS WITH THE GREEKS. WARTIME ERECTION.
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Post by Vincent Kennedy McMahon on May 16, 2014 20:04:22 GMT -6
READING FORBES REPORTS TO PAT PATTERSON'S CORPSE. TELLING PAT WE WERE SOMETHING BACK IN THE LATE 80'S. OFFERING THIS RECENTLY OPENED 11 PM EASTERN PACKAGE OF PERUVIAN POW. PATTERSON PASSING LIKE IT'S A VAGINA. THIS GUY. TELLING THE TRAVEL SECRETARY TO BOOK A FLIGHT FOR OKERLUND. THIS ALL ENDS TONIGHT. FUCK YOU.
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Post by November KS on May 16, 2014 20:10:38 GMT -6
SITTING IN MY CONNECTICUT OFFICE. I'VE TRADED IN A SEVEN THOUSAND DOLLAR SUIT FOR GEAR SIMILAR TO WWE SUPERSTAR ROMAN REIGNS. PLOTTING. TRYING TO DECIDE IF THIS IS IT. RIP PAT PATTERSON. I ALWAYS LOVED YOU. THIS ALL ENDS WITH THE GREEKS. WARTIME ERECTION. Vince, please tell me you're wearing this:  |
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Post by Vincent Kennedy McMahon on May 16, 2014 20:20:39 GMT -6
SITTING IN MY CONNECTICUT OFFICE. I'VE TRADED IN A SEVEN THOUSAND DOLLAR SUIT FOR GEAR SIMILAR TO WWE SUPERSTAR ROMAN REIGNS. PLOTTING. TRYING TO DECIDE IF THIS IS IT. RIP PAT PATTERSON. I ALWAYS LOVED YOU. THIS ALL ENDS WITH THE GREEKS. WARTIME ERECTION. Vince, please tell me you're wearing this: OH, I GET IT PAL. YOU'RE WITH THEM. THE LEMELSON'S. YOU WANT MY ATTIRE AND ADDRESS? I'M WEARING YOUR GIRLFRIEND'S BRA ON MY HEAD AT 316 FUCK YOU STREET. ARE YOU READY FOR WAR? PATTERSON'S GAY CORPSE AND I ARE READY. I'LL PAY FOR THE HOOKERS, YOU PAY FOR THE DAMAGE. FUCK YOU. |
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Post by Vincent Kennedy McMahon on May 16, 2014 20:32:10 GMT -6
I DIDN'T LIKE SPIROS ARION, AND I DON'T FUCKING LIKE YOU LEMELSON. I'LL GIVE YOU A FEW NUMBERS. ASK THEM ABOUT ME.
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Post by Optimisn on May 16, 2014 22:06:17 GMT -6
I have a couple initial thoughts here. First, I believed WWE could pull 75% of a Nascar deal. Why not? They were willing to go live with Smackdown. They have the PG era advertisers. They still do well in main demographics. I think we'll find out it's the network. Vince and Co. played their hand. They went with the network first. In turn, they pissed off many people in the cable industry. When you hear the stories about ECW being owed around two million in PPV revenue when they sank, you have an example. Mind you, ECW owed about eight million, so it wouldn't have been THAT big. But these execs work together at times. I'd be willing to bet this was a lesson. A lesson in fighting the man. Vince thinks he's the man. He is in many ways. But this was the industry slapping content providers down likes it's their job. "You're going to take away PPV and start a trend against us?" awfulannouncing.com/2014/wwes-new-tv-deal-misses-out-on-exponential-growth-in-live-content-rights.html |
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Post by November KS on May 16, 2014 22:14:53 GMT -6
I'm still not convinced this is all about the TV deal. Wall Street is usually months if not a year ahead of what the public knows/sees.
I wonder if something even more menacing is on the horizon.
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Post by Optimisn on May 16, 2014 22:31:56 GMT -6
I'm still not convinced this is all about the TV deal. Wall Street is usually months if not a year ahead of what the public knows/sees. I wonder if something even more menacing is on the horizon. I know what you're saying, but I think this will be rock bottom. It's certainly possible the company "promoted" a Nascar style deal. Worst case scenario, the stock price goes through the roof and comes back down. The family still owns 80% of the stock. Best case scenario, everyone buys into the hype. WHY SHOULDN'T WE GET NASCAR MONEY? WHY NOT US? They turn it into a 1.8-2.4 billion dollar company. They could buy a cable outlet to work with the groundbreaking digital outlet. Currently, WWE is being shit on by the financial and entertainment world. A nice little de-push to the Money In the Bank winner. Solid company with a rabid fan base still exists. Stock is around early 2013 levels (not referenced). I'm amazed this got fucked up. Seriously. They lined it up perfectly. But it wouldn't surprise me if I go into "only we can do this to our pledges" mode in the coming months. |
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Post by November KS on May 16, 2014 22:39:26 GMT -6
I wonder if they should've locked up the TV deal before doing the Network. The fallout from the outlets like DirectV, Dish, At&T probably had an impact on the industry. Many rumored potential Raw/Smackdown outlet partners also fizzled in the past few months.
So that's one thing I would've done differently.
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Post by Vincent Kennedy McMahon on May 16, 2014 22:42:22 GMT -6
I wonder if they should've locked up the TV deal before doing the Network. The fallout from the outlets like DirectV, Dish, At&T probably had an impact on the industry. Many rumored potential Raw/Smackdown outlet partners also fizzled in the past few months. So that's one thing I would've done differently. FUCK YOU. |
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Post by Vincent Kennedy McMahon on May 16, 2014 22:42:52 GMT -6
I'm still not convinced this is all about the TV deal. Wall Street is usually months if not a year ahead of what the public knows/sees. I wonder if something even more menacing is on the horizon. FUCK YOU. |
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Post by Vincent Kennedy McMahon on May 16, 2014 22:43:23 GMT -6
I DIDN'T LIKE SPIROS ARION, AND I DON'T FUCKING LIKE YOU LEMELSON. I'LL GIVE YOU A FEW NUMBERS. ASK THEM ABOUT ME. FUCK YOU. |
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Post by Vincent Kennedy McMahon on May 16, 2014 22:48:27 GMT -6
LOOK, I'M THE TYPE OF GUY THAT CAN LOSE OVER 300 MILLION IN NET WORTH IN A SINGLE DAY, GO ON A MURDEROUS, COCAINE INDUCED RAMPAGE, AND STILL LOOK MYSELF IN THE MIRROR WHEN MY 1 AM EASTERN SUPPLY OF BANGLADESH WHITE IS GETTING OPENED A LITTLE EARLY. I'M AN ENTERTAINMENT GUY IN A STOCK EXCHANGE WORLD. TIME TO CALL FLOUR TITS JACKSON. IT'S A LONG STORY. FUCK YOU.
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Post by November KS on May 16, 2014 23:07:46 GMT -6
Here's a thought. I wonder if the E should've just started the Network on a smaller scale.
$4.99/month for the archived stuff, NXT, Main Event and original content.
And then take a slower approach on how to do the PPV's at a later point in time.
I'm still not even sure they're worked out how talents would be paid now due to the new PPV structure.
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Post by November KS on May 16, 2014 23:14:27 GMT -6
Things that also don't help:
* Ratings have been stagnant or declining for years
* Pissing off providers (AT&T, DirecTV, Dish)
* Having mega talent walk away, before biggest show of year, without a solid explanation. (Punk)
* Having mega talent, and current champion, and best thing going, go under the knife. (Bryan)
* Global Force Wrestling's imminent entry to the market
* Uncertainty in talent compensation due to the Network
* If I'm not mistaken, even some of their video game partners have taken hits the past few years
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Post by Vincent Kennedy McMahon on May 16, 2014 23:33:11 GMT -6
STILL BEHIND MY DESK. USING PAT PATTERSON'S CORPSE AS A SHIELD. LOOK, I KNOW HOW THE FEDS WORK. A DAY LIKE TODAY IS ONE BIG PROTEIN BAR TO THEIR BOTTOM LINE. OKERLUND IS STILL ANNOUNCING BECAUSE I FLEW HIM IN. GENE REALIZES HIS DESTINY WAS ALWAYS HERE. HI VERNE. HI TED. I'LL SEE YOU SOON. I JUST HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THIS GREEK CAPITAL COMPANY. TOO CLOSE TO CAPITOL. GOING OUT IN A BLAZE OF GLORY. THIS WAS ALL FOR YOU, STEPHANIE.
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Post by Optimisn on May 16, 2014 23:43:44 GMT -6
Things that also don't help: * Ratings have been stagnant or declining for years That's why they added the third hour. It minimizes the decline, and give more live hours. The hot thing. * Pissing off providers (AT&T, DirecTV, Dish) BOOM BOOM BOOM * Having mega talent walk away, before biggest show of year, without a solid explanation. (Punk) Here's what really frightening. Punk partially left due to payoffs for the roster. Now, the payoffs Vince didn't want to deliver aren't there. Yikes. * Having mega talent, and current champion, and best thing going, go under the knife. (Bryan) Doesn't help. But they were going to bury him anyway. This is perfect. Pull the title off Bryan and let him chase. I don't know if he's over now, but he's not money as champion. He's money chasing. Maybe. * Global Force Wrestling's imminent entry to the market No. I LOVE every last bit of this deal. Almost made a strong run to do any type of management role for the company. But that's not going to impact WWE in ten days. * Uncertainty in talent compensation due to the Network * If I'm not mistaken, even some of their video game partners have taken hits the past few years HUGE. But, what are they going to do? If you're not Jericho, Foley, etc. You're going GFW, or stick with WWE. This will end up being a big, big bump in the road. But WWE is still reality for some time. Here's a thought. I wonder if the E should've just started the Network on a smaller scale. $4.99/month for the archived stuff, NXT, Main Event and original content. And then take a slower approach on how to do the PPV's at a later point in time. I'm still not even sure they're worked out how talents would be paid now due to the new PPV structure. |
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Post by Optimisn on May 16, 2014 23:50:29 GMT -6
Keeping Score bringing the action! I love it!
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Post by November KS on May 17, 2014 0:00:47 GMT -6
The interesting thing in all of this to me is the Comcast connection. Obviously, Comcast owns NBCU, and obviously WWE just re-upped on NBCU's USA and Syfy networks.
Comcast is also one of a handful of companies, and THEE front runner to the recent WWE rumors about companies who could buy the E.
What all of that means? I have no idea. But I'm guessing we haven't heard the end of it.
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Post by Optimisn on May 17, 2014 0:21:37 GMT -6
The interesting thing in all of this to me is the Comcast connection. Obviously, Comcast owns NBCU, and obviously WWE just re-upped on NBCU's USA and Syfy networks. Comcast is also one of a handful of companies, and THEE front runner to the recent WWE rumors about companies who could buy the E. What all of that means? I have no idea. But I'm guessing we haven't heard the end of it. Fair questions. That's why this deserves a thread. This could end up being one of the biggest stories in the history of professional wrestling. The extra intrigue is that WWE will impact many levels of entertainment and the way it's delivered. If Vince gets bullied, all prices are going up. Netflix, etc. Cable companies need to keep their dominance. If the FCC wasn't a paid for government ally, it would be a different story as well. |
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Post by November KS on May 17, 2014 0:43:47 GMT -6
It's a great thread and I'm glad it got it's own thread. And now you have me over-thinking dammitt!! So of course I can't help it and here I go again........ This is mainly why I think that it's more than the TV deal. Any simpleton, like me for instance, has read all the dirt sheets the past few months and realize that suitors for Raw and Smackdown the last few months have dropped faster than WWE recently inducted HOF'ers. That was bad but hell, maybe even losing icons like the Undertaker (streak) and the Warrior (  ) may have even impacted everything to a tiny, tiny degree. But what I meant to say is that investors have seen everything we have seen and have infinitely more information at their disposal than we have. They would've seen/known that the E bargaining power was dwindling. They would've/should've sold off long ago. I believe they now know something else. I'll give ya a list in a moment. |
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Post by Optimisn on May 17, 2014 0:58:32 GMT -6
I'll give WWE this, and many people missed it. All of the previous contracts were strategically placed. They set all bidding contracts up at the same time this round. The timing, content, and excitable need for anything live seemed to work.
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Post by November KS on May 17, 2014 1:18:32 GMT -6
I'll give WWE this, and many people missed it. All of the previous contracts were strategically placed. They set all bidding contracts up at the same time this round. The timing, content, and excitable need for anything live seemed to work. It turned out into a 25% increase in TV rights but the result was their stock dropping nearly 50%. Not sure I'd give them that one. |
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) may have even impacted everything to a tiny, tiny degree.