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Post by November KS on Jul 24, 2015 23:16:34 GMT -6
You're missing a couple things in this overall deal KS. If he wins this lawsuit, it will be a thing. Also, if we really laid it all out, he was about to bang his "best friend's" wife around this time. But the 2015 Anger Train, that doesn't have a destination, needs to be stopped. My buddy (and her) wanted me to fuck his girl. It's not uncommon and really no big deal these days but it was weird as fuck to me. I still don't understand that post.
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Post by November KS on Jul 24, 2015 23:18:52 GMT -6
The other thing, that probably bothers me more than anything in all of this is the hypocrisy in all of this by the WWE. The gall they have is astonishing.
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Post by Optimisn on Jul 24, 2015 23:28:16 GMT -6
Definite hypocrisy.
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Post by scorejr on Jul 24, 2015 23:43:34 GMT -6
The Mexicools riding lawnmowers. Cryme Tyme just in general. R Truth is a rapper. The New Day started as a black Gospel group...there's a lot of hypocrisy in WWE's part.
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Post by November KS on Jul 24, 2015 23:46:01 GMT -6
I'd also like to point out that most of my tweets today seemed to come after randomone posted something and I don't want it to seem like I was addressing his posts. I was just randomly spouting and the timing just happened to coincide with that a lot.
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Post by randomone on Jul 24, 2015 23:47:39 GMT -6
Ha, no worries, my timeline was filled with comedians making jokes & others being super serious about it.
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Post by November KS on Jul 25, 2015 0:57:41 GMT -6
The other thing I suggested on the Twittah today (and I'm sure many of you who have the extreme pleasure of following that account saw) is to have Hogan open up Monday Night Raw. I'm not sure if the pending lawsuit would negate that, but if not then it should happen. Let Hogan go out there unscripted and speak to the audience. Whatever he wants to say.
You can't have a conversation about race until you actually allow a conversation to take place. Scrubbing and erasing Hogan from WWE history accomplishes nothing.
Not to mention the ratings would be through the friggin roof.
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Post by November KS on Jul 25, 2015 1:01:03 GMT -6
Not particularly shocking but.......
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Jul 25, 2015 4:55:21 GMT -6
WWE Hall of Famer Roddy Piper appeared on Rich Eisen’s DirecTV Audience Network talk show today, and during the appearance Piper was asked about the current Hulk Hogan situation.
Piper’s reaction was odd, as he had the following to say, as transcribed by ProWrestling.net:
“When I would go into Madison Square Garden, I wasn’t the most popular guy. Madison Square Garden there’s 16,000 Puerto Ricans with knives and great radios and stuff… They pick it up from L.A. …and that’s how they got it, and that’s how they knew that I was there.”
Piper added the crowd would sling homophobic slurs at him as he was walking to ringside, and he talked about eating something called a “gringo burger.”
Eisen then asked Piper how his above story pertained to the Hogan situation, and Piper responded with the following:
“That’s a good question. My point is that, boy, you guys are sensitive. Hang on. I know people who have to get up to walk five miles for water first thing in the morning. I’m just saying this literally happens to me my whole life.
With Hulkster, I don’t agree with all his choices, you know what, I don’t hear people saying all the great things he does. When he was on the Wheaties’ Box, all those kids that said their prayers and took their vitamins. I don’t hear them saying that. They just want to nail this. I just think it is a little… I think everybody needs to get a life. I don’t think that anybody should just go to hurt your feelings for no reason.”
Keeping Piper...
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Post by Optimisn on Jul 25, 2015 9:34:09 GMT -6
Tough to go with the KS Raw plan if this is true. It could be like celebrating the life of the guy that murdered his family.
"It’s possible things get worse for Hogan as The National Enquirer is promising that more comments from the video will be released soon."
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Post by November KS on Jul 25, 2015 11:13:17 GMT -6
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Jul 26, 2015 13:38:59 GMT -6
Enzo and Big Cass worked the WWE Live event in Odessa last night, defeating the Ascension.
Hopefully they get the call up soon.
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Post by Optimisn on Jul 26, 2015 14:05:11 GMT -6
Enzo and Big Cass worked the WWE Live event in Odessa last night, defeating the Ascension. Hopefully they get the call up soon. I think they translate well to the main roster.
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Post by November KS on Jul 26, 2015 15:37:33 GMT -6
– Bleacher Report recently spoke to former WWE Superstar James Harris aka Kamala regarding the racist scandal surrounding Hulk Hogan. Below are some highlights.
Harris on how Hogan always treated him well: “That’s not the Hogan I know. Hogan always treated me like a gentleman. He genuinely cared about me. He was my friend. He’d tell me, ‘Brother, I’m getting my money. I hope you’re getting yours, because you’re putting asses in the seats.’ When it came to our matches, he valued my input. He’d always say, ‘What do you want to do out there, brother?’ I’d tell him, and then we’d go out there and do it. He’s a sweetheart of a guy.”
Harris on not being mad at Hogan at all: “I’m not mad at him at all. Deep down, he’s really not like that. He’s a super-nice guy. I don’t believe he’s a racist at all, no matter what he said.”
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Post by November KS on Jul 26, 2015 15:45:14 GMT -6
– As previously reported, there was a rumor circulating online that Summerslam might be made into a four hour show this year. This is because Sky Italia announcer Luca Franchini claimed that WWE informed Sky Italia that Summerslam 2015 will be four hours. WWE has not yet officially confirmed the news. You can read his Facebook posting on the announcement and the translation below:
"Il Godzilla" Luca Franchini News Personality · 70,128 Likes · July 24 at 5:12pm · BREAKING NEWS: la WWE ha ufficialmente comunicato a Sky Italia che Summerslam, in programma domenica 23 Agosto al Barclays Center di Brooklyn avrà durata di 4 ore. L'inizio dello show è previsto per le 7PM ora locale, la 1 di notte in Italia
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Jul 26, 2015 19:16:33 GMT -6
Enzo and Big Cass worked the WWE Live event in Odessa last night, defeating the Ascension. Hopefully they get the call up soon. I think they translate well to the main roster. They could come up now and not change a thing and get over. Crowds love the sing-a-long stuff and they would have the crowd chanting with them in a month. Debut them in a place where people will know them (like Raw after SummerFest) and it'll be the biggest pop of the night.
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Post by November KS on Jul 27, 2015 0:06:06 GMT -6
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Post by November KS on Jul 27, 2015 16:36:47 GMT -6
Something to read. I don't have any thoughts on it at the moment. Looking at Kevin Owens’ path in the WWE, he couldn’t have asked for a better start. On his first night in the company, he entered the NXT title picture in a polarizing rivalry against Sami Zayn. On his first Takeover he became the undisputed NXT champion. On his first RAW, he kicked off a feud against John Cena and on his first PPV, he defeated John Cena. As far as early accomplishments go, Kevin Owens is, mildly said, an overachiever. Normally, the fans would be on the edge, leaning towards frustration, when it comes to such a sudden push. Many would perceive that as “jumping over people who’ve been in the company for a long time”. However, no one was complaining about Owens, quite the opposite actually. I don’t think it’s only because of his reputation on the independent scene; a large portion of the audience still mainly watches exclusively the WWE. With Kevin Owens it was a perfect combination of skills, booking and character with character being possibly his most influential trait. Wrestling alone isn’t enough to captivate the attention of the crowd. Neville, for example, is extraordinary in the ring but his blunt gimmick is holding him back. Kevin Owens is first a personality and then an astonishing wrestler. His presence is felt the moment he walks up that ramp. Before he even opens his mouth, it’s already clear that he’s a force to be reckoned with. Once he gets the mic, Owens can masterfully craft a promo on anybody out of thin air. He connects the dots meticulously, not allowing the formation of plot holes. Then the bell rings and the world turns upside down for his opponents because Owens is nothing short of an expert between the ropes. But by the time Owens starts wrestling he already has the audience in the palm of his hand. What instantly made Kevin Owens arguably the best heel the company has was his composure. He stated that his family was his number 1 priority and after that nothing else mattered. It was all just business. After all, Owens started off his WWE career by mercilessly destroying his best friend’s hopes and dreams. Sami Zyan was angry. The audience was angry but Kevin Owens felt no need to explain himself. That’s what made him so terrifying. How many movie villains fail because they suffer the need to lay out their evil plan in front of their nemesis? Why not kill the protagonist straight away and win the game? It happens because villains want recognition. They believe they are right and they feel misunderstood. They don’t crave agreement or support. They simply want understanding. Kevin Owens didn’t share that weakness. He couldn’t care less whether he was understood or not. He actually consciously used his opponents’ emotions and frustration over the fact that he’s not even trying in his own favour. Kevin Owens walked in and took whatever he wanted. The crowd loved it because, for once, there was a man, whose authority could not be questioned. However, Kevin Owens’ image of being untouchable happened to be strongly reliant on success. He could afford to slide out of the ring as soon as the bell rings and wouldn’t be taken as a weakness or a sign of fear. If Miz does that, if Seth Rollins does that, they will be booed for being cowards. When Kevin Owesn did that, it would get the adrenaline rushing because the audience knew it was a trap that Owens’ opponents were aware of but would still get caught into. Even in retreat Owens would feel like a cold, calculating predator, stalking his unknowing victims. All of that worked because, in the end of the day, Owens got the victory. He’d have the fight on his own terms but he’d actually fight. And then the losses came. Between a pin fall and a tap out loss to John Cena in two consecutive PPVs, Kevin Owens lost his NXT title to Finn Balor and all of that was surrounded by numerous losses on the main roster. Then Kevin Owens lost his cool and became visibly frustrated. He is bitter and that’s understandable but walking out of a match when the going gets tough is turning into a habit of his. The reality hit home hard because in one go Kevin Owens experienced Rusev’s fall from grace to the hands of John Cena and Seth Rollins’ character decay from a calculating heel to a coward. However, it took these two about a year to go through this character development arch. Kevin Owens rushed through it in a couple of months’ time on two separate platforms simultaneously. He rose to the top too fast and is now falling down just as quickly. Obviously, Kevin Owens is a heel and a heel must lose if he’s getting too likeable. In the stereotypical order of things a villain needs to be booed to be considered a success. I have my reserves in regards to this belief but I’m not going to argue against the mechanisms of the wrestling world in this particular article. The fact is heels can’t look too good for too long in the WWE Universe. That’s where the real skilful storytelling comes into play. There is a fine balance between taking a heel down a notch to keep the crowd against him and destroying his credibility altogether. Booking the Owens vs. Cesaro feud will be flirting dangerously with that line. The last match Kevin Owens wrestled this week was a bizarre heel vs. heel match against Rusev. The crowd seemed to be slightly confused as to when they were supposed to cheer. I enjoyed it because it was a rare exception to the standard booking. What made it odd, however, was the fact that because of Kevin Owens’ behaviour Rusev looked like a face. Generally the audience would be more inclined to side with Owens but the way he opted out for a count out put the Bulgarian Brute in the position of the brave, dominant character, worthy of support and that’s a first. I thought this decision was strange. It was definitely unexpected but once Owens jumped into a verbal altercation with Cesaro, it all fell into place immediately. Having to run away so often had built up frustration in Kevin Owens, so he needed to vent out on somebody, and that somebody happened to be the Swiss Superman. At the same time, Owens’ actions presented Cesaro with the opportunity to unleash his swift sarcasm and it was game on. Just from that one segment, in which Cesaro was always one ahead in terms of responses, I know it will be an epic feud. Cesaro and Owens need no title in-between to draw in the audience. Their mic skills and their wrestling speak for themselves. Their matches will be of undeniable quality. The only issue is that it will be very difficult to book the winner of the rivalry. Cesaro’s on the rise and Owens is in need of regaining momentum. The danger remains that booking Owens too weak will damage his credibility in the long run but giving him a clean victory will put a stop to Cesaro’s much-awaited push. Yet, Kevin Owens has much more to lose because he was given much more to begin with. It’s a marvellous feud coming. However, the WWE Creative will be having Kevin Owens walk on thin ice every step of the way. Read more: www.pwmania.com/the-way-kevin-owens-is-booked-increasingly-dangerous#ixzz3h8NIwvZL
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Jul 28, 2015 8:39:41 GMT -6
More news on Hulk Hogan is coming out, this time targeting homosexuals.
RadarOnline has released more comments from the tape that contained the racist comments made in 2006. Hogan talks about an encounter with a gay man
Hogan was discussing his reality show, Hogan Knows Best and had the following to say:
“VH1 wanted me to do a big thing and go back to the house I grew up in. So we knock on the door and a big f*g lives there now! This half-gay was enamored with Linda.”
The episode that is in question featured Hulk Hogan visiting the home he was raised in in Port Tampa.
The home’s new owner welcomed Hogan back and actually gave him a small truck that was his when he was a boy. He would talk with Bubba The Love Sponge about his wife, Linda.
“Dude, the only thing I will ever ask of you … I don’t know how you will pull this off … is, if I am ever on my death bed, you cannot let Linda come and visit me.”
Hulk brought up his home in Las Vegas, which he had bought for $4.25 million and grew in value to over $5 million.
“If I get divorced, Linda will make me sell it.”
Hogan then referenced the “black billionaire” Cecile Barker again:
“F**k it. Cecile will buy it and give it back to me after the divorce!”
Bubba can be heard on the tape saying to Hogan: “Who’s your n***a? I have something for you. Who’s your n***a?”
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Post by November KS on Jul 28, 2015 10:49:57 GMT -6
#TeamHogan
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Jul 28, 2015 10:50:47 GMT -6
Keeping Score throwing in with an avowed racist. Did not see that coming.
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Post by November KS on Jul 28, 2015 11:04:19 GMT -6
Keeping Score throwing in with an avowed racist. Did not see that coming. I just can't be part of the lynch mob that is going after a guy that was illegally recorded in the privacy of his own home by his best friend.
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Jul 28, 2015 11:08:33 GMT -6
You understand it's not either/or right?
You can disagree with the fact that this was recorded and released without his consent while still finding his comments wildly hateful and racist.
It's gonna come out that Gawker leaked these in an attempt to try and force Hogan to settle/dismiss his lawsuit.
But Hulk is piece of shit.
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Post by November KS on Jul 28, 2015 11:13:08 GMT -6
You understand it's not either/or right? You can disagree with the fact that this was recorded and released without his consent while still finding his comments wildly hateful and racist. It's gonna come out that Gawker leaked these in an attempt to try and force Hogan to settle/dismiss his lawsuit. But Hulk is piece of shit. When you have no other instances of racism from Hulk, despite being in the very public eye for like 40 years now, I refuse to bury him for something he said in a 15 second snippet.
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Post by November KS on Jul 28, 2015 11:25:29 GMT -6
– Kevin Owens recently spoke MTV UK about Brock Lesnar, here is what he had to say…
On Who He Wants to Face in WWE: “I think there’s only one answer for me right now, and it is Brock Lesnar. I think a lot of people want to see it.”
On Being a Fan of Lesnar: “I was there the night he made his debut on Raw for WWE. I was in the crowd, like the fifth row. I remember being blown away immediately by this guy, I was on board right away. I bought Brock Lesnar T-shirts and Brock Lesnar hats. My parents got a dog that summer, I named him Brock.”
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Jul 28, 2015 12:20:34 GMT -6
You understand it's not either/or right? You can disagree with the fact that this was recorded and released without his consent while still finding his comments wildly hateful and racist. It's gonna come out that Gawker leaked these in an attempt to try and force Hogan to settle/dismiss his lawsuit. But Hulk is piece of shit. When you have no other instances of racism from Hulk, despite being in the very public eye for like 40 years now, I refuse to bury him for something he said in a 15 second snippet. You mean the content that was said when he thought no one was listening isn't as good of a barometer of someone's true feelings as content that is said knowing everyone is listening? Hmm...
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Post by November KS on Jul 28, 2015 13:25:14 GMT -6
I'm too busy at the moment but we're gonna talk, Speeps.
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Jul 28, 2015 13:45:24 GMT -6
I look forward to it.
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Post by scorejr on Jul 28, 2015 14:26:14 GMT -6
So he's from an older generation who can't see the difference (Hogan), if we knew everything about everyone then most of us wouldn't watch wrestling. The true nature of people isn't why I'm watching, its for the performers art in the ring and the story I'm watching. Vince is racist weekly. Stereotyping every race is very fucking racist if you ask me. If your grandpa didn't really like black people because of the generation he grew up in, but knows it's wrong, chooses never to publicly say anything racist, and lives a normal life does one thing make him an awful person?
I don't agree with how Hogan feels. I also don't think its our job as a society to team up and vilify a man for statements made to people who are already documented bigots (bubba the love sponge) and who was being set up the whole time by those same people claiming to be friends. Is Hulk a misguided guy? Yes. Should we freak out to the extent we are about it? No. Jimmy Snuka fucking killed someone and no one bats an eyelash at it. Hogan is not out on the streets screaming hate speeches. He said one thing, and everyone flipped out. You should hear what my Grandpa use to say and he wasn't a horrible person. Its just a generation gap and both sides young and old need to find a middle ground, I instead of the gang mentality of let's all go after someone because its what everyone is doing. I don't wanna argue race with people, I'm just like you guys and personally don't like racism or inequality, just needed to say what I thought. Now onto real news, like why John Cena is still main eventing and pissing off every ounce of me...
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Post by Positivity Peeps on Jul 28, 2015 16:00:00 GMT -6
Maybe. But we do know how Hulk speaks when he is in private. This is the language he uses when he is angry.
That's perfectly understandable. But surely you can see why a publicly traded company would want to get as far away from someone who says vile and offensive things right?
Even if you concede that Vince is racist every week, which I don't, that is different than using race in a fictional tv show.
It doesn't make him an awful person. It makes him a racist. And his company would be justified in not wanting to associate with him.
Each person can feel how they want to feel. I addressed the invasion of privacy in my retort to your pappy. Misguided is a softer word than I'd use but I agree with your general point.
I don't think anyone is freaking out. People are disappointed in hearing such hateful language from someone many viewed as the embodiment of America as kids. It's shocking.
I don't believe that's true about nobody batting an eye, but again Jimmy Snuka in no way had the cultural significance Hulk Hogan did.
No he said it in his home where he thought nobody would hear him. I think that is a greater barometer of a person's true feelings than what they say in public.
See above.
I'm sure it's the same things my grandpa said. He wasn't a horrible person either, but he was a racist.
I grew up with family who spouted plenty of racist things. For all I know, that thinking reflected the best wisdom of its time, but it's just plain wrong by any modern standard. And calling it such isn't "ganging up" on poor Hulk. It's calling out a racist for what he is.
I appreciate your opinion. Much better conversation than usually happens with your dad.
The world may never know...
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