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Post by Coast2Coast on Oct 16, 2014 16:52:52 GMT -6
Start a new streak after a losing week...
Picks in this thread to date (7 weeks): +6.04 units CFB -0.8; Golf +4.94; NFL +3.03; Bases -1.13
Thursday: Va Tech -1 Oregon State-Utah over 53
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Post by Coast2Coast on Oct 17, 2014 21:08:21 GMT -6
I am thinking this might be a Saturday where some top tier teams might hit a flat spot as big chalk coming off big games, with bigger games ahead...plus one bad teams over and maybe the highest scoring game of the year in which the first one to 55 wins.
Washington +21 @ Oregon Colorado +21 @ USC Tennessee +17 @ Mississippi Rutgers +22 @ Ohio State 1/2 unit Ball State -Central Michigan over 54 Baylor-West Va over 80
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Post by Coast2Coast on Oct 21, 2014 12:01:17 GMT -6
Got this from a guy I follow on another site. Most "analysis" one reads about sporting contests aremostly opinion, and a lot of so-called statistics are actually meaningless trends. But I thought this was interesting enough to share...
The 'warning bells' statistic concerning KCR's unbeaten run to me is the following:
7, 2, 1, 8, 5, 6, 2, 2
That's their run production inside regulation innings this post season. It's almost all but all or nothing, basically. Here's SF's:
8, 3, 1, 1, 3, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6 (this last one "inflated" somewhat: should be another 3 or 4 but for the rare occurrence of a multi-run walk-off HR)
Much more consistent. Less highs but more importantly less lows. 3's & 4's are regulation scores that win multiple games in the WS (since 2000, 31 WS games have been won by teams managing 3-4 reg. run scores, compared to 15 won by teams managing 5-6 reg. run scores). Where are KC's regulation 3's & 4's? The horseshoe they have up their ass is all but coloured by an offensive hue. They've won multiple games in the playoffs via a mode they were worst at league wide in the regular season: the long ball (as well as 2 notable extra base hits which hit the wall, but didn't have the oompf to go the few feet more needed to clear it). What happens when their freak deep hitting ways dry up? Remember the Cards from last season and their highly flukey (& record setting) productive BA with RISP, and what happened to them when that dried up? Teams simply do not sustain doing things that are exceptionally beyond the[ir established] norm. Keep in mind KC will play SF off their 2 worst overall offensive outings thus far in these playoffs. Because they won those games & made the WS as a result, attention is deflected from the fact that maybe their big hitting ways have actually already come to an end: they didn't manage a hit w/a RISP in those 2 games, nor did they manage any HR's (the pitching they faced in those 2 efforts hardly warranted such a drastic drop off in the form they'd shown over their previous 6 games, especially at home). The last time they had an offensive lull - their 2 reg. innings efforts @laa - they at least had another game quickly around the corner to reassert/refind their offensive form. Here their suddenly quiet bats have been forced into extended rest.
The issue for KC's offense in the WS is going to be: what saves them if & when the big hits dry up? This isn't to say KC is incapable of winning a tight WS game late without hitting a longball, but how are they going to react when what they're so used to getting from themselves recently suddenly disappears on them, and this happens to happen in the most pressure filled atmosphere they've ever experienced? The Tigers lost the WS to SF after just 1 game was in the books 2 years ago, and the Tigers entered that WS off 5 straight wins: everything had been running their way back then, just as it is now for the Royals. 3 Panda HR's later & their ace mauled, the Tigers were shellshocked & never recovered.
One final note on this point: As well as KC has managed the big hits, they've still "only" totaled 8 HR's in 8 games. STL managed 15 HR's in 9 games, an average of 1.66/game. How difficult will SF find dealing with KC if the their current 1.00 HR/game rate drops away to any significant degree, as expectations of a regression anticipate, given they just managed a comprehensive (on paper, at least) 4-1 series win against a team who hit the longball significantly better than what KC is currently managing to do?
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Big Game James goes against Bumgarner in game 1: Bumgarner is 4-0 on the road in the postseason, while BGJ has looked average at best (his lack of a loss to his name at this point being due to his being the most consistent beneficiary of KC's flukey big hitting ways: he's gotten an average of 8.33 runs support so far - that's more than double KC's rpg production from the regular season, and nearly 2 1/2 times as much RS as all the other KC starters have received. Such statistical deviations simply do not continue unabated). This is another WS that has the potential be over for one team psychologically very early, imo. If KC's big hitting continues unabated then I think it's the toss up the odds suggest: either team wins in 7. Since KC's big hitting holding up is a scenario I don't contemplate (even though Black Swans will continue to exist despite normative expectations), I think SF wins in 6 (or - if KC's bats really hit the wall like STL's did off their own respective high last season - in 5). SF's starters are't good enough across the board this time around for me to possibly think sweep (Pissvy & Vogelsucks are no Cain-Lincecum or even Cain-Zito duo), even if KC does repeat the stage fright of the 2012 Tigers.
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Last thought for this post: KC's beating SF 3-0 in the reg. season @kc (SF's bats managing 3 total runs over those 3 games).
SF's reg. season was a 3 act play: (1) Their swift start out of the blocks (43-21 SU), (2) Their mid-season slide (20-36 SU between June 9th-August 12th) which threatened to derail their p.s. hopes, then (3) Their late recovery (25-17 SU) which salvaged a WC spot. [Fortunately for them, one of the best performed teams on paper they met during their slide also happened to be sliding bigtime themselves: MIL got swept by SF during their own 19 game, 3-16 SU slide. If the Brewers had been playing to their previous standards heading into that series, SF would've likely failed to grab a WC spot].
No prizes for guessing which period of form SF was in at the time they headed into KC (specifically, at the tail end of a 10 game road trip: it was upon returning home that they set about generating their 3rd act of the reg. season). Conversely, KC was in the middle of a 27 game, 22-5 SU run (rebounding off a prior 3-10 SU slide that straddled the AS break) at the time they hosted SF. The nature of each team's efforts in that series reflects perfectly where each team was psychologically at that time. Of course KC might've inflicted exactly the same outcome had SF been in better form, and those results could actually be indicative of the way these two teams match-up. It's possible, but, as with my expectations re KC's batting continuing to pull horseshoes out of its ass, I think the surface factors I've highlighted adequately explain matters. Hence - given SF's current form is much different from their reg. season's 2nd act - I don't see anything from those early August results being useful, statistically speaking, as a WS reference.
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Post by Coast2Coast on Oct 21, 2014 12:40:23 GMT -6
Short-term variation. Or at least that's what we tell ourselves whenever we go 1-7 in college football or the stock market tanks..which both did last week.
Summary of bets in this thread: Now in the red for the first time....CFB -7.5; Golf +4.94; NFL +3.03; Bases -1.13
Like the Giants to win the World Series. Found a +104, so taking that for 2 units.
Established a position on the Giants at -105 for game 1, but won't count that on my record because I plan to live bet it and my position at the end of the game will hopefully mean profit no matter who wins.
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Post by Coast2Coast on Oct 21, 2014 13:52:15 GMT -6
Fell off the (college football) horse last week, but climbing right back on. U LaLa likes to run, but ASU stout against the run.
Ark State -3, -120 Arky State - U LaLa under 57.5
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Post by Coast2Coast on Oct 21, 2014 18:59:03 GMT -6
I'll do a live betting recap "live" to give you an idea how I roll. I will update through the game as I buy for anyone interested in following along. I will likely buy after most score changes from the team that is behind.
Start game with 1 unit on Giants -105 to win 1 unit Giants lead 3-0 in first Top of the 2nd, I buy 1/4 unit on Royals +450... .25 to win 1.125 If Giants win, I win .75 unit If Royals win, I win .075 unit. Essentially, it cost me 1/4 unit of a potential Giants win to eliminate the risk of losing anything.
Bumgardner looks a little shakey in the 3rd. Going to buy a little more Royals. Bought Royals top of the 4th, 1/8 unit for +500... .125 to win .625 If Giants win, I win .625 unit (1 unit win on Giants - .375 loss on Royals) If Royals win, I win .7 unit (1.75 win on Royals - 1.05 loss on Giants) Yes, I now have a greater win $ with the Royals than with the Giants. But if Royals get back into it, I'll be buying more Giants. But essentially, I win about the same no matter what happens. Some people might argue that I gave away some of my win on the Giants. But after 3 innings with the pitcher starting to look shakey, risk reduction seems more sound than gambling.
The Giants score another 2 runs in the top of the 4th, but I'm done buying the Royals for now. At this point, with the score 5-0, buying more Royals would be giving away a profit with a high % probability. I'll sit where I am unless/until the Royals get back into it and take the lead. At which point, depending on the game situation, I might buy Giants as an underdog.
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Post by Coast2Coast on Oct 21, 2014 22:12:22 GMT -6
and that's how it ends. Royals never get in the game and I win .625 unit with zero risk after the 2nd inning. Now you can argue that I gave away some of my winnings off my original bet. But that's essentially why I live bet...to try to generate profits with reduced risk.
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Post by Kirkwoodref on Oct 22, 2014 17:58:01 GMT -6
Small play on the Peavy's. He's a big game pitcher who just wants to go out and win for the team by gritting it out as all he can do Is think about the team.
/bad bernstein impression of his peavy impression
I like the +125 odds
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Post by Coast2Coast on Oct 22, 2014 17:59:49 GMT -6
+.625 last night, opening tonight's position with one unit on Giants +126. Will plan to trade it.
1 unit on over 7 even. I don't really trust either pitcher tonight. And if the over comes in and we get both teams scoring runs, then that should make the live betting more fluid also.
Giants score one in the first. Bought 2 units on Kansas City at +105. I expect two-way action tonight with both teams scoring, and expect the Giants to score again, so I will take KC as a dog to establish a position on them.
If Giants win: +126 - 200 = -.74 If Royals win: +210 - 100 = +1.1 So effectively, at this point, I am risking .74 unit on KC Royals at +148. Better than the current market price on KC of +105.
Royals tie it 1-1 in bottom of 2nd. Bought another unit on Giants at +125. If Giants win: +1.26+1.25 = 2.51 - 2 = .51 If Royals win: +2.10 - 2 = .1 So at this point, if Giants Win, I win 0.51 units. If Royals win, I win 0.1 unit.
Giants no score in 2nd. G0ing to bottom of 2nd, 1-1. Because KC is up next, line on Giants now +155. Bought 2 units on Giants at +155 to win 3.1. This makes 4 units now risked on the Giants total. 2 units risked on the Royals. If Giants win: 1.26+1.25+3.1 = 5.61-2=3.61 If Royals win: +2.1 -4 = -1.9 So effectively, at this point, I'm risking 1.9 units to win 3.61 on the Giants or +189
Royals score 1 in the bottom of the 2nd to lead 2-1. At end of inning, bought 1 more unit on Giants @+215. If Giants win: +7.76-2 = 5.76 If Royals win: = +2.1-5=-2.9
Risking 2.9 units on Giants to win 5.76 or +198 Now need Giants to tie it up...
No score for Giants in 3rd and I could buy more Giants at +260. But I'm already over-weighted for Giants and if Royals score more, the line will go up even more before the Giants bat. Will sit tight here. If I was more closely balanced, I would buy more Giants here, but with 2.9 units already at risk, don't want to add to it quite yet at this number...though I fully expect Giants to tie this game at some point. But I have 2.9 units on that happening already. No reason to add more to it at this price. If they get 2 runs down, the line might be +400, and will be worth considering there.
The net units bet on Giants currently are 2.9 to win 5.76 units or 8.66 units. So the amount I need to bet on Royals will be such that the bet plus win = 8.66 units. If I do that, then there will be equal amounts to be won on both sides.
Giants tie it up in 4th, but Royals are -170 because they are about to bat. I won't buy at that price because it will wipe out most of the profits. Still like the Giants to lead this game at some point.
Before Giants bat in the 5th, I bought Royals at -135 to reduce Giants risk, even out the profit both ways. Bought 4.95 units on Royals at -135 to win 3.67 units
If Giants win: +7.76 - 6.95 = +0.81 If Royals win: +5.77 - 5 = +0.77 So I've locked in a profit both ways. Because live betting closes after the 6th inning, I'm done. No matter what happens, I win another 3/4+unit.
Go Giants. Still need 3 runs for the over.
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Post by November KS on Oct 22, 2014 19:00:25 GMT -6
These live betting posts are tremendous.
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Post by Coast2Coast on Oct 22, 2014 20:23:54 GMT -6
Thanks. There is a lot of math involved and you only have a few minutes between innings to do it. But if you have a game in which you expect both teams to score and hold the lead (any sport really) live betting on each team as the underdog when they fall behind holds great potential. The trick is not to get too overweighted on one side and then you get stuck with that if they never tie it up.
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Post by Coast2Coast on Oct 23, 2014 15:05:07 GMT -6
Thursday night Va Tech Miamauh under 48 (Ever heard Suddners pronounce words like Miami and Missouri with an "uh" on the end rather than an "ee". Betcha Hawg has).
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Post by Coast2Coast on Oct 24, 2014 18:08:41 GMT -6
World Series Friday: Don't trust either pitcher again 1.5 units on over 7 even
Live betting Friday night. Start with pregame 1 u position on Royals +110
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Post by Coast2Coast on Oct 24, 2014 18:19:21 GMT -6
Royals score top of the 1st. 1-0 Buy 1 unit Giants +115 Current status: Royals win: Win .1 Giants win: Win .15
Entering top of 3rd. With pitchers settling in, I buy 1/2 unit on Giants +140. If Royals score, I buy more Giants at the middle of the inning. If Royals don't score, I buy 1/2 unit of Royals next inning at a price lower than -140, netting a few more %.
Royals don't score in 3rd. Buy .72 units Royals at +135 to pay .53
Now evened up at $130 profit each way. Need some scoring!
Current status: If Royals win: Win (1.10 + .53 -1.5) = .13 If Giants win: Win (1.15 + .7 - 1.72) = .13
Looks like tonight is going to be a grinder, so I'll try to grind out another penny or two. This is arbitrage for pennies now. Top of 4th, bought 1/2 unit of Giants +144... .5 to win .72. Same as last inning: Royals score, I buy more Giants. Royals don't score, I even up at lower than 144.
Ha! The books come out with -145..which basically means that I can't even make a penny out of a mid-inning scalp. (They're on to me). Ok fine. I'm 1/2 unit over on Giants. Comfortable with that. Go Giants. Score right here and I'll buy Royals next half inning at a better price.
Giants don't score, their line climbs to +164 before the top of the 5th. So I bought another half unit... .5 to win .82.
Royals score 2 in 6th, line on Giants rises to +550, so I buy my last piece on the Giants == .5 to win 2.75. So now: If Royals win, I lose 1.37 units. If Giants win, I win 4.42.
Probably no more live betting, so this will be what I carry to the end of the game. Giants at an effective line of +322.
So Giants have rally going in 6th..1 run in, runners on. If they allow another live bet at the end of this half inning (sometimes they cut it at end of 6), I can equalize profits on both sides if they offer a line on the Royals at anything less than -322.
With two runs in, Royals line will be much less than -322. So if they offer a line, I can equalize. To equalize, I will bet on royals whatever is needed such that the bet and the win equals 5.79 units (total current bet and win on Giants).
Got it! They offered a price on Royals at -310, so I took it and evened it up. Risked 4.38 units on Royals to win 1.41. So I'm done and here is the result:
If Royals win: Win 3.04 units; Lose 3 units bet on Giants: Net .04 units If Giants win: Win 6.14, Lose 6.1 units bet on Royals: Net .04 So I did all this for $40. It happens this way sometimes. Now if Giants win, I'll probably grimace at the 4.42 units I could have won. And if the Royals win, I guess I'll be glad I didn't lose 1.37 units. But sometimes day trading makes money and sometimes it makes pennies.
Bottom line, it was a profit. We move on.
The over/under will decide the night. Need two runs.
Time to pack for the bay. That 7 am flight will come early.
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Post by Coast2Coast on Oct 24, 2014 18:42:57 GMT -6
Friday night college football: Boise -6.5, -115 vs. BYU BYU lost so much when they lost their QB. They lost to Cent. Florida and Nevada in games in which they were fairly evenly matched..and should have won both. With their injuries on both sides of the ball and Boise's skill and speed levels, I do not believe they are "fairly evenly matched" playing at Boise.
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Post by Coast2Coast on Oct 25, 2014 13:11:36 GMT -6
A few totals today. Laying off college sides this week. Just didn't have time to properly cap them. But did a totals analysis this morning and am playing these:
Old Dom - Western Kentucky OVER 77.5 2** Ridiculously high number, but for a reason. Both teams' offenses are so much better than their defenses that I expect scores on a large majority of possessions. I expect both teams at least in the 40s.
1* totals Syracuse-Clemson under 47.5 Massachusetts - Toledo over 69.5 Oregon State - Stanford under 42.5
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Post by Coast2Coast on Oct 26, 2014 9:09:51 GMT -6
Waking up and hitting the ground running.
2nd half London: Detroit-Atlanta UNDER 21.5 Detroit disinterested, no weapons, the shitty Wembley Stadium soccer pitch is deterioriating, Atlanta doesn't need any more points. Second half should be mostly "let's get this thing over with". Roll clock roll.
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Post by Coast2Coast on Oct 26, 2014 9:45:48 GMT -6
3rd and 25 and Atlanta gives up a 59 yd TD pass. And that tells you all you need to know about the Falcons.
No. it doesn't. Matt Ryan throws a near pick six horrible pass. Wow. Two horrible plays and Atlanta is on the way to giving this game away and losing the under. Unreal.
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Post by Coast2Coast on Oct 26, 2014 9:58:35 GMT -6
Matt Ryan. Is there a more over-rated player in the NFL?
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Post by November KS on Oct 26, 2014 9:59:40 GMT -6
Matt Ryan. Is there a more over-rated player in the NFL? Clay Matthews
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Post by Kirkwoodref on Oct 26, 2014 10:07:00 GMT -6
This game is driving me insane. Both teams are incredibly stupid teams. The collective football IQ on the field and sidelines might be worse in the NFL. The game plans for both teams are completely opposite of what I'd expect.
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Post by Coast2Coast on Oct 26, 2014 10:13:20 GMT -6
I will not bet on the Falcons in any way again this year...unless it's against them.
Thankfully, or maybe not, the refs in this game want to get this game done too. Has there been a flag the whole second half? That wasn't pass interference on the two point conversion? Ha.
This under should not even be close. Now it's a nail biter, asking the Falcons to eat clock for 3 minutes
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Post by Coast2Coast on Oct 26, 2014 10:14:01 GMT -6
Agree Kirkwood. Mike Smith and his band of multi-time failures (hello Terry Robiskie) are showing they might be the worst coaching staff in the NFL. The Detroit guys are new. I'll give them a pass for this year anyway.
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Post by Coast2Coast on Oct 26, 2014 10:22:43 GMT -6
Harry Douglas and Julio Jones,your tables are ready.
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Post by Coast2Coast on Oct 26, 2014 10:24:51 GMT -6
Seriously? You have the game won. You can literally run out the clock and you are running toss sweeps and pitching the ball? OMG.
And then your lineman commits a penalty to stop the clock. Wow. The dumbness of Atlanta has no limit.
Then they throw a pass.
This game was won. Two minutes, first down, one timeout for Detroit. Now Atlanta is punting with 1:46.
Inept doesn't begin to describe it.
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Post by Coast2Coast on Oct 26, 2014 10:31:12 GMT -6
Mike Smith should be fired on the spot.
Two minutes left. You kneel on the ball. Eat five seconds. Detroit time out. You kneel again, then eat up 45 seconds. You kneel again on third down. eat up 45 seconds. you punt on fourth down with less than 20 seconds left.
Now Atlanta will lose a game that they had a 99% chance of winning.
Unbelievable.
Mike Smith needs to find another line of work.
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Post by Coast2Coast on Oct 26, 2014 10:38:17 GMT -6
I've been gambling a long time, but to call that a bad beat would do disservice to the term.
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Post by Kirkwoodref on Oct 26, 2014 10:45:00 GMT -6
I want to scratch out my eyeballs. I can't believe what I just watched.
Looking for positives....I will feel very confident betting against the Lions.
They are easily the worst "good" team.
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Post by Coast2Coast on Oct 26, 2014 10:52:13 GMT -6
In Detroit's defense, they didn't have Megatron or Reggie. My positive: I will likely bet against the Falcons next week. And maybe every game from now on. How could any Falcons player have any motivation to play for their dumbass coaches after that?
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Post by Kirkwoodref on Oct 26, 2014 11:02:08 GMT -6
Megatron is a huge deal. I'll give you that. But I don't see anything different between Riddick and Bush.
After losing Fairley I think they're in trouble. Lions are very dependent on their line as the key to their defensive success.
They play Miami at home after their bye. They'll have Calvin so I'd sense an overly optimistic line for the Lions. Give me the phins...ML.
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